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Since everyone b!tches about "bedroom producers"...

how about some of you guys on here list a couple of them?

I listen to a lot of "cracker trance" radio shows and every track being played is someone signed to a decent label (or they're DJing every week).

So who are these so-called "bedroom producers" then? What current no-name producers are getting their tracks played on major radio shows right now?

Go ahead kiddies...I bet you can't list two of them...

mike mikhjian, bet you've never heard of him. He produces in his bedroom too

DJ DarkHawk. Check out his music in this thread...

http://tranceaddict.com/forums/show...21&forumid=1&s=

Re: Since everyone b!tches about "bedroom producers"...

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Originally posted by osterzone how about some of you guys on here list a couple of them? I listen to a lot of "cracker trance" radio shows and every track being played is someone signed to a decent label (or they're DJing every week). So who are these so-called "bedroom producers" then? What current no-name producers are getting their tracks played on major radio shows right now? Go ahead kiddies...I bet you can't list two of them...

Check out the names which Bonzai have signed.
They are pumping out bedroom productions at a bizarre rate.

Are you trying to divert us from the massive failure that was your last thread with this?

what the fuck is cracker trance?

cheese?

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Are you trying to divert us from the massive failure that was your last thread with this?

This.

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Originally posted by sako487 mike mikhjian, bet you've never heard of him. He produces in his bedroom too

+1

Found him on Last.FM

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Originally posted by sako487 mike mikhjian, bet you've never heard of him. He produces in his bedroom too

We've got a few tracks from him in rotation on DI. And yes, the Bonzai/Banshee labelgroup is absolutely spewing out bedroom producers. However, some of them are actually quite good. Some of them maybe not..

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Originally posted by Johan (DJ Irish) We've got a few tracks from him in rotation on DI. And yes, the Bonzai/Banshee labelgroup is absolutely spewing out bedroom producers. However, some of them are actually quite good. Some of them maybe not..

Yeah, some of them are quite good but it's next to impossible to find them from the mass, especially seeing how little proper marketing Bonzai/Banshee does. They just chuck all their stuff out there without much thought.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Yeah, some of them are quite good but it's next to impossible to find them from the mass, especially seeing how little proper marketing Bonzai/Banshee does. They just chuck all their stuff out there without much thought.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...6&forumid=11&s=

Just look at the last few pages, they don't even bother with hosting decent quality images decent for their promotional posts

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Originally posted by Woonyxoxo http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...6&forumid=11&s= Just look at the last few pages, they don't even bother with hosting decent quality images decent for their promotional posts

Fun fact - you can even find one of my remixes in one of the releases.

Will I ever see a single cent in payment? Probably not.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Fun fact - you can even find one of my remixes in one of the releases. Will I ever see a single cent in payment? Probably not.

That's unfortunately always a possibility. Under what name did you do the remix?

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Originally posted by Johan (DJ Irish) That's unfortunately always a possibility. Under what name did you do the remix?

How should that be a possibility? On Isratrance they have a 10 pages discussion when a rookie label owner did not pay his artists (http://forum.isratrance.com/redax-m...-from-this-guy/) and here we are already resigned to not get single cent from one of the biggest Trance labels?
I know that the music industry is not going through its best moment and an artist may not produce a track for the money, but this does not mean you should stay silent in front of such unprofessional misbehavior.
I hope you will get/got at least some money from Olympik Records for your (unless there is another Organik out there) nice breaks remix of Hydewood. I bought the entire compilation to support the TA producers community.

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Originally posted by Johan (DJ Irish) That's unfortunately always a possibility. Under what name did you do the remix?

OrgaNik, he even got #1 on the release.

1 Outside The Box - OrgaNik`s Jack In The Box Remix
You mean this one?

I heard Bonzai also has a ridiculously low royalaty rate. (like 20% I think)

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Originally posted by Trancefxs How should that be a possibility? On Isratrance they have a 10 pages discussion when a rookie label owner did not pay his artists (http://forum.isratrance.com/redax-m...-from-this-guy/) and here we are already resigned to not get single cent from one of the biggest Trance labels? I know that the music industry is not going through its best moment and an artist may not produce a track for the money, but this does not mean you should stay silent in front of such unprofessional misbehavior. I hope you will get/got at least some money from Olympik Records for your (unless there is another Organik out there) nice breaks remix of Hydewood. I bought the entire compilation to support the TA producers community.

I agree it's crap, but rough deals from labels are nothing new and hasn't started with the advent of digital distribution. That's why I sound resigned. The record business has always been a bit shady, and will probably continue to be so. The electronic scene is not excempt from this. I'm not saying it should be accepted. Far from it. It's just very possible a producer will experience this at least once in his career. Especially in the early stages.

First time I noticed this was back in 1996 when a local producer got a bad deal with his debut release. I found the release in record stores in both in London and Berlin but if I remember correctly he never saw a dime himself. The release was under the name of OXL but as he's more known as Axwell nowadays I don't think he thinks too much about those times atm

Anyways, bonzai has had a bad rep with regards to their record deals for a while now. It's easy to suspect one reason they are releasing so much bedroom producer stuff is because it's easy for them to get the artist to sign contracts that are mostly beneficial to the label.

They have also been very active in 'utilizing' their immense back catalogue. Recently releasing a gazillion remixes on Tiesto's The Tube.

It doesn't even matter I won't get paid, I only did the remix as a friendly favour. What irks me is the utter lack of promotion/advertising of any kind. I actually didn't even know when the release was coming out, I only found out it had already been released when I accidentally stumbled across it while browsing Beatport.

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Originally posted by Johan (DJ Irish) Anyways, bonzai has had a bad rep with regards to their record deals for a while now. It's easy to suspect one reason they are releasing so much bedroom producer stuff is because it's easy for them to get the artist to sign contracts that are mostly beneficial to the label.

Hopefully projects like this one http://www.gogoyoko.com/ have the potential to change the situation in the not so far future.

@Mr.Mystery: totally agree, Bonzai marketing strategy, or better lack of it, is baffling.

Very odd you as an contributing artist don't get any word on your own tracks. Baffling to say the least. But looking at how much they release each month I'm not suprised they don't have any proper marketing of their releases. There's not enough time between the releases to do any of the traditional marketing stuff.

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Originally posted by Trancefxs Hopefully projects like this one http://www.gogoyoko.com/ have the potential to change the situation in the not so far future.

Cool project, didn't knew about this.

nevva thought I would be even posting in a thread like this but here we go...I'm not even gonna try to hide it like many do, I am working at Banshee/Bonzai.
Reading all this and so many other pointless threads it just strikes me that like 99% of the peeps here seem to have invented 'Hot Water' when it concerns the music bizz.
Bedroom producers, deejays or whatever u wanna call it are the foundation for the future sound guys, some signings one does on them are good and others..well yeah I agree are not so good looking at the final result. We could do like some of the so called bigger labels and just hi-jack the better names from smaller labels with the neccessary dollars or euros. But we have never, since the start of Bonzai, upheld that policy, theres still names out there that started their legacy with us such as Dj Ti�sto, M.I.K.E (Push), Sharam Jey, Airwave, Marco Bailey, Yves Deruyter...pfff the list goes on and on....and guess what, they all started with us when they were unknown and shy bedroom producers. If I have a look at what's going round at trance market now from so called big names, well it just wants to make me cry. Not saying we are re-inventing the scene here at Bonzai, but at least we try and are looking a bit beyond the tralalala trance sound of today.
Ow yeah and we still put out trance ourselves, bedroom producers, and some of them are fucking awesome when it comes down to trance, uplifting, progressive or whatever niche you wanna classify it in, Asbj�rn Hegdahl, Max Angel, Crimson, Blufeld, Sovve, Ville Lope and a few dozen more (sorry guys the list is 2 long 2 complete it, but you all know who you are). ...and some are not so good, misjudged by us, I absolutely agree but it seems many out there are just only looking at those.
I am also the first that is eager to learn about new marketing and promostrategies so hit me in this thread with some great ideas which we don't do ourselves. We have huge online promopool on which all major deejays, radioshows, reviewers, a&r's and god knows what else are subscribed 2. We put out radioshows ourselves, buy advertising, organise small events and gigs, are active on all major communities and so on and so on... Like I said I'm very eager to learn where we are missing out.
Royalty-rates...20% is even a bit low for us today but thinking that with todays situation on the music market gettin a 50/50 split is the standard is just ridiculous. Thinking that with a minor investment on the producers side it justifies gettin a 50/50 split... As a label there's lot's of stuffz to deal with, distribution fees that need to be paid, authorrights that need to be paid, marketing and promotion that needs to be paid, artwork that needs to be payed, a professional upload system to provide the portals that needs to be paid, office rent that needs to be paid, I need to get paid !!! and a huge load of other stuff that needs to be paid easily mounts up to 40-50% of the net-income on sales. So dream on if ur thinking 50/50 is the standard.
And yeah there lot's of 50/50 deals being made out there...but on what do you get that so called equal split (I know). Many have already found out and many more will down the road. Not even thinking
about the number of lads here crying at my doorstep that had a so called equal split and then found out that the label are crooks and not paying or the label has already folded before they even got a first royalty-statement. It could be even worse if you end up with a label that doesn't even understands the defintion or royalties or how to calculate any of them. And then there's also those labels paying more then they should cuz they don't understand fuck all about it either. Frankly I don't know what's worse lol

well I hope i haven't offended anyone, if so it absolutely wasn't the intention. Just one more thing, keep goin all you bedroom producers out there, u have my respect over lots of the wannabee selfdeclared so called high-profile producers out there.

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Originally posted by BedroomAddict well I hope i haven't offended anyone, if so it absolutely wasn't the intention.

Too late. Just glancing at a post that ugly-looking was enough.

I read all that, but I have no idea what you were trying to say.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I read all that, but I have no idea what you were trying to say.

your answer is the perfect example why I don't worry 2 much about these threads mate
have a sunny weekend anyways

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