England - Germany (June 27th) [Round of 16]

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Posted by raveed on Jun-24-2010 21:56:

England - Germany (June 27th) [Round of 16]

I'd like to say it's going to be a cracker but (Australia aside) , if the performance of both teams in the group stages is anything to go by , we may be in for a tentative game with a single goal deciding the outcome.

C'MON England!!!!

Past head to head record

Games played: 27

England wins: 12 (7 prior to 1966)

Germany wins: 10 (including both penalty shootouts ever played between the two)

Draws: 5

Posted by woscar on Jun-25-2010 00:48:

Shouldn't penalty shootouts count as draws?

Posted by raveed on Jun-25-2010 01:01:

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Originally posted by woscar
Shouldn't penalty shootouts count as draws?

Has there ever been a scenario where both teams contesting the penalty shootout went through to the next round or got 3 points ?

Posted by woscar on Jun-25-2010 02:10:

This is what I get for trying to be polite

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Win or draw?

A shootout is usually considered for statistical purposes to be separate from the match which preceded it. In the case of a two-legged fixture, the two matches are still considered either as two draws or as one win and one loss; in the case of a single match, it is still considered as a draw. This contrasts with a fixture won in extra time, where the score at the end of normal time is superseded. In the calculation of UEFA coefficients, shootouts are ignored for club coefficients, but not national team coefficients, where the shootout winner gets 20,000 points: more than the shootout loser, who gets 10,000 (the same as for a draw) but less than the 30,000 points for winning a match outright. In the FIFA World Rankings, the base value of a win is three points; a win on penalties is two; a draw and a loss on penaties are one; a loss is zero. The more complicated ranking system FIFA used from 1999 to 2006 gave a shootout winner the same points as for a normal win and a shootout loser the same points as for a draw; goals in the match proper, but not the shootout, were factored into the calculation.

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Posted by Zeonfiend on Jun-25-2010 15:59:

They had to hire extra security already. This game should be epic no matter what happens.

Deutschland uber alles!

Posted by woscar on Jun-26-2010 05:02:

Should be epic, indeed.

It's going to be a tough game for both of them but I think the Germans will take it just barely.

Posted by raveed on Jun-26-2010 05:45:

quote:
Originally posted by woscar
This is what I get for trying to be polite

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My bad. I was not aware Fifa stopped awarding a win if a match went into a penalty shootout.

After more reading , it seems to be one of those grey areas where propagators for both sides (awarding a win for a penalty shootout or not) seem to have concrete arguments.

Surprising to think that Fifa sided with the belief that a penalty shootout is not a test of a players skills. I would think confidence and the ability to control your nerves make all the difference in a game. It is usually the better team on paper that wins a shootout.

Even during regular play, if nerves are not considered to be a part of your skill , why did France and Italy get knocked out so early this year? Clearly their players are more skilled than their counterparts in their respective groups.

Posted by raveed on Jun-26-2010 05:52:

How awesome would it be if Argentina - England meet in the Quarters and Argentina get knocked out by a hand of god from Rooney after which Rooney celebrates by running towards Maradona, clenching his fist and pointing at it with the other hand.

Posted by LiquidX on Jun-26-2010 22:10:

quote:
Originally posted by raveed
How awesome would it be if Argentina - England meet in the Quarters and Argentina get knocked out by a hand of god from Rooney after which Rooney celebrates by running towards Maradona, clenching his fist and pointing at it with the other hand.

Priceless!

Posted by JorisC on Jun-27-2010 15:52:

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Originally posted by LiquidX
Priceless!

+++++

Posted by Zeonfiend on Jun-27-2010 21:14:

Okay, I was wrong. It wasn't close at all.

Posted by FallingMoon on Jun-27-2010 21:29:

Now it's Germany - Argentina lol do I smell 2006 again?

going to be an interesting match.

Germany played sick today, I'm hoping they play that exact way against these boludos because Argentina does have a good team.

Let's go Germany!!!

Posted by smcmulli on Jul-06-2010 23:56:

english whine too much. WWWWUuUUuUUUUUUUUUuUUUUUHHHAAAT?!