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Forgive me, for I have sinned...(loops)

My latest song uses three drum loops (plus some one-shots), one of which is a VEC loop that is prominent throughout the track. I didn't try to hide it, I didn't cut it up, I didn't re-pitch it, and in fact I have it playing nearly in isolation at one point with the full realization that some producers would recognize it. To my amazement , somebody did notice it and told me I should cut it up, but I don't want to and I'm not going to.

So, what is the punishment for such a travesty? Please make it quick and painful.

I've heard your music and I feel like we're in the same boat. You do a lot of melodic and harmonic stuff, leaving the drums more to fill frequencies and establish rhythm instead of being a centerpiece that drives the track. I use loops too, the rest of the content we put around them undeniably makes up for it.

You are hereby condemned to listen to Basshunter - "Boten Anna" two hundred times in a row:



Get to it.

10 hail marys, 50 push-ups, and you have to scale my bathtub once a week for the next 3 months (you may not like what you see).

It's a little disappointing to hear, but I assume you must have come up with some really original killer melodic material to make up for the lazy drum work...

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Originally posted by Kysora ...a lot of melodic and harmonic stuff, leaving the drums more to fill frequencies and establish rhythm instead of being a centerpiece that drives the track. I use loops too, the rest of the content we put around them undeniably makes up for it.

Wow - that pretty much sums up my dance tracks perfectly! Actually, I like making drum parts most of the time, but for this track, I put the loops in there as more or less a placeholder, but it worked so perfectly that I figured, hey why not? The only people who are going to notice or care are other producers, so...

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles You are hereby condemned to listen to Basshunter - "Boten Anna" two hundred times in a row:

Noose please.

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Originally posted by DigiNut ...I assume you must have come up with some really original killer melodic material to make up for the lazy drum work...

It's actually more about the vocals, which are the centerpiece of the track, definitely not the drums!

i think it depends on the tune you make or at least what you want from it i just made a tune with the same loop running through it and i dont care as i wanted my attention on other elements of the track. my new tune ive started from scratch with no loops in sight

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Originally posted by Kysora I've heard your music and I feel like we're in the same boat. You do a lot of melodic and harmonic stuff, leaving the drums more to fill frequencies and establish rhythm instead of being a centerpiece that drives the track. I use loops too, the rest of the content we put around them undeniably makes up for it.

Some of those Vengenance loops are pretty sick, even though they can be over processed. If the groove of the track relies on the loop...I weep for the lost art of songwriting.

anyone recognize this loop?

its a vengeance loop, not sure which one tho

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Originally posted by sako487 anyone recognize this loop? its a vengeance loop, not sure which one tho

I wouldn't recognize a Vengeance if it bit me on the arse, which brings up a related point - I've never understood how people can even recognize these loops. Do people sit around memorizing them? I mean, there are hundreds, if not thousands in the various VEC/VEH packs!

You've been drummed out of the producer's guild! You are to take all equipment in your possession and leave it behind West Middle School in Mount Pleasant, MI at precisely 12 O'clock noon within two days. Just leave it there. I'll take care of its disposal.



On a serious note, I used to hate songs made with the instant 3rd or 5th chord preset. Most of them sounded ultra cheep, like not a whole lot of effort that went into making them. For a long time, I refused to use such presets. Then, last year, I made a song using both a 3rd and a 7th chord synth preset (although heavily edited) in Dimension. It was like a light went on with this realization that I'm good enough that I don't have to pretend to be good by not using 'cheating' tools, anymore. I just have to use them in a way which is a reflection of my ability.

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Originally posted by Beatflux Some of those Vengenance loops are pretty sick, even though they can be over processed. If the groove of the track relies on the loop...I weep for the lost art of songwriting.

Yeah I agree. As far as I'm concerned using loops is completely harmless if you don't rely on them in any way. I could create my own percussion lines but acquiring the one-shots and putting them together would take a lot longer than the loops I have on hand, and the end result of my tracks would be largely the same since I never draw attention to my percussion anyway.

I'm sure some purists might shun me for that but fuck them, I'm not sacrificing any artistic integrity by using loops as convenient placeholders for something I don't deem important in my music to begin with. And neither is Cryo. Though props to him for usually making his own rhythm tracks, I can honestly say I don't have that kind of initiative.

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Originally posted by Kysora Yeah I agree. As far as I'm concerned using loops is completely harmless if you don't rely on them in any way. I could create my own percussion lines but acquiring the one-shots and putting them together would take a lot longer than the loops I have on hand, and the end result of my tracks would be largely the same since I never draw attention to my percussion anyway. I'm sure some purists might shun me for that but fuck them, I'm not sacrificing any artistic integrity by using loops as convenient placeholders for something I don't deem important in my music to begin with. And neither is Cryo. Though props to him for usually making his own rhythm tracks, I can honestly say I don't have that kind of initiative.

Programming percussion is really a whole different ballgame where the details of producing harmonic and non-harmonic elements come to light.

Melodies and basslines draw attention to themselves via relation to harmony and their melodic line. timbre, velocity, timing, and placement also apply but can be used optionally. Percussion on the other hand relies on patterns altering different sounds, timbre, and needs velocity and timing to take it to an exceptional level. Percussion can't use any kind of music theory to alter it, so it's much more primitive, but the limitation puts more emphasis on the nuanced elements that harmonic elements take for granted.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles You are hereby condemned to listen to Basshunter - "Boten Anna" two hundred times in a row: Get to it.

Jesus man, he didn't kill anybody

u r no longer my friend for doing this

oh another vengeance loop =]

I'll let you into a secret...I use Loops also, but dont tell anyone.

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Originally posted by tehlord Jesus man, he didn't kill anybody

A killing merits listening to Scooter - "How Much Is The Fish?" nonstop for ten years:

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Originally posted by Beatflux Programming percussion is really a whole different ballgame where the details of producing harmonic and non-harmonic elements come to light.

I totally understand that, I don't really suggest people use loops over creating their own percussion lines. Just in my case, I don't see how it'd make any difference if that's what I did.

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Originally posted by Kysora I totally understand that, I don't really suggest people use loops over creating their own percussion lines. Just in my case, I don't see how it'd make any difference if that's what I did.

The post wasn't necessarily directed towards you.

I guess you won't know unless you try. Hehe.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Please make it quick and painful.

Oops - that was supposed to be "painless". Wow, I'm dumb.

If you are happy with the track so be it. I used to frown on using loops and made my own drum section. Glad I did as I have no issue making loops now.

I do now use loops though and its a great addition to your own work.

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Originally posted by cryophonik My latest song uses three drum loops (plus some one-shots), one of which is a VEC loop that is prominent throughout the track. I didn't try to hide it, I didn't cut it up, I didn't re-pitch it, and in fact I have it playing nearly in isolation at one point with the full realization that some producers would recognize it. To my amazement , somebody did notice it and told me I should cut it up, but I don't want to and I'm not going to. So, what is the punishment for such a travesty? Please make it quick and painful.

it doesnt matter man...the only people that will notice are producers. and not even the noob ones...just a few people.

I don't think you should worry that much since I have a feeling it's not the main focus of the song. It's the end result that matters. Lots of good producers use loops.

everybody uses loops man. some more than others. i think we all know that, which is why this is a bit of a goofy thread

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