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This is how I see Trance production @ this moment:

Pre- Production:

Building blocks of individual parts ( repetitive parts ) of sounds.
Imagine this as your SEQ bar in FL-Studio�
The Leads could be something like Vanguard or V-station.

Kick: *--- *--- *--- *---
BASS: -*** -*** -*** -***
LEAD1: *--* --*- *--* --*-
LEAD2: -*-* ---*--*-*---*
LEAD3: ---- --*- -*-- ----

You make like a list full of repetitive leads and sounds ( With my latest mix I used 35 pulgins making up 20 Main Leads )� the next one blending into the previous. Creating like a flow.

AS lead 1 fades away: lead 3 comes in.

After that you can render every block individually- take it out- make it sound gooood and pop it back into FL.

By forming this list you can keep perfect level on your DB- Meter and not confuse your ears.
Many guys start MIXING from scratch- without any PRE -paration.

MIXING:

Building the actual mix-
Putting it together like a house- - and also add some REV cymbols and Stabs to spice it up.

POST-Production:

Mastering and equalization

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Originally posted by Rebel Brown

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Originally posted by 19503

WTF????

Re: Sup

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Originally posted by routingwithin This is how I see Trance production @ this moment: Pre- Production: Building blocks of individual parts ( repetitive parts ) of sounds. Imagine this as your SEQ bar in FL-Studio� The Leads could be something like Vanguard or V-station. Kick: *--- *--- *--- *--- BASS: -*** -*** -*** -*** LEAD1: *--* --*- *--* --*- LEAD2: -*-* ---*--*-*---* LEAD3: ---- --*- -*-- ---- You make like a list full of repetitive leads and sounds ( With my latest mix I used 35 pulgins making up 20 Main Leads )� the next one blending into the previous. Creating like a flow. AS lead 1 fades away: lead 3 comes in. After that you can render every block individually- take it out- make it sound gooood and pop it back into FL. By forming this list you can keep perfect level on your DB- Meter and not confuse your ears. Many guys start MIXING from scratch- without any PRE -paration. MIXING: Building the actual mix- Putting it together like a house- - and also add some REV cymbols and Stabs to spice it up. POST-Production: Mastering and equalization

er yeah well the first part is kinda right then it landslides into a pile of horse poo i think you need to re-word the points you are making

Maybe Tiesto will hire him.


I mean, seriously, if it's that formulaic, why waste your time on it when you could be doing something much more challenging, like putting a 24-piece jigsaw puzzle together?

this is 100% accurate and exactly what everyone who ever writes anything that can be remotely called trance does

if it was that easy.. why wouldnt more ppl be doing it?

i mean there are alot of bedroom producers. but if that was the formular to success. there would be alot more ppl trying.

i dont think you can analyze a whole genre and say yeop thats all trance is.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Maybe Tiesto will hire him. I mean, seriously, if it's that formulaic, why waste your time on it when you could be doing something much more challenging, like putting a 24-piece jigsaw puzzle together?

What do you mean? The whole reason I upgraded to Sonar is because I ran out of all the preset patterns, loops, and complete songs from my last DAW. I just mix and match. I'll be running out of Sonar's soon and then I'll have only two or three DAW's left before I have to convert to Mac.

Personally, I had a hard time following this guy's tutorial but if it helps me stop using the same 8 beat loop I've been using for the past five years, it will be well worth having learned to read.

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Originally posted by Kysora this is 100% accurate and exactly what everyone who ever writes anything that can be remotely called trance does

X 100%

I have diarrhea, yet I still came to work.

Thanks for the criticism guys � however I have to disagree.

Everybody always try to complicate everything, getting too technical on music.

Yes of course its not finished after that- but having a good PRE-stage for yourself can save you a lot of time.

This tutorial is more - - a view of the bigger picture
After creating the bars � you start coloring the blocks- cloning and adding minor changes.

If you're thinking

Then await my latest creation...
with it I will prove this method�
Peace

we're wetting are pants with excitement!!

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Originally posted by owien we're wetting are pants with excitement!!

For some reason I read that as, we're wetting our pants with excrement."

To the OP: Perhaps your ideas received a little less than an enthusiastic reply but for what it's worth, good luck. Unfortunately, your 'tutorial' still only really covers the basics - and not really in a way which is instructive to the beginner. I think we've all seen tutorials in this forum which didn't pass the test for one reason or another and in critiquing your thread, recognized some of the former hallmarks of misleading and bogus instruction. I know that making 'tutorials' is also encouraged as a means of achieving recognition with which to market oneself.

Unfortunately, that means a lot of people who aren't necessarily qualified to be doing so are making tutorials. You might have demonstrated a template methodology with which to start a song that you might actually have success with. The real test, however, is if other people are able to use it to achieve successful results. I think this tutorial is a bit too much self-promotion on far too little substance.

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Originally posted by routingwithin Everybody always try to complicate everything, getting too technical on music.

First off, I would challenge your assumption that "everybody" complicates "everything". I see very little evidence to support that in EDM. We EDM producers are pretty notorious in general for trying to find the quickest and easiest way to get a task done. Second, while I agree that the technical aspect of production is far too overemphasized in dance music (often at the expense of solid musical ideas), I don't see how your boilerplate approach using very basic and canned rhythms and arrangements, or working in discrete blocks is going to solve that. But, if it works for you and you're satisfied that you've found the holy grail of production, don't let our comments dissuade you. Hopefully your example tracks will enlighten all of us.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker What do you mean? The whole reason I upgraded to Sonar is because I ran out of all the preset patterns, loops, and complete songs from my last DAW.

I thought you upgraded to Sonar because that's what the cool kids who don't follow trends are using.

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Originally posted by cryophonik I thought you upgraded to Sonar because that's what the cool kids who don't follow trends are using.

That's what I was trying to pass it off as.








It did pretty well as a mask for my utter lack of talent but, like over-used Super-Saws, there was only so much hiding that would accomplish.

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I'm honestly confused, are you being a dick or honestly trying to pass this shit off as a tutorial? Or am I just getting trolled

Whatever one it is I don't like it.

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Originally posted by Kysora I'm honestly confused, are you being a dick or honestly trying to pass this shit off as a tutorial? Or am I just getting trolled Whatever one it is I don't like it.

You're not alone, Kysora - I agree 100%.

As far as the track goes, well let's just say that 11 minutes without a chord change, melody, or anything memorable or creative going on isn't my cup of tea. And, that damned hihat....ugh - make it stop!

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Originally posted by routingwithin Ok - fair enough guys. I was only trying to explain music production in a short and simple way. Also it is more like a theory than a tutorial. 4 those Click here to go to download site check it out - my new mix, " simulate " created using this method. Its a solid, intense trance creation of 11min. Of course if you are not into trance you will probably not dig it.

Listened and can see you are serious about this. Some advice, if you want to convey this as a serious tutorial you need to start by at the very least labelling the thread properly. Like "Tutorial - Trance construction kit" or something. "Sup" just looks like your saying hello. If you are trollling then, whatever.

After that some extra explaination as to what is going on in the tutorial will help, the post just reads like a statement not so much a tutorial to help others.

This amazing.i make trance now

Sorry. That track doesn't even remotely prove a qualification to be putting up tutorials. It certainly coincided with what your tutorial prescribed but what your tutorial consisted of was cookie-cutter advice on how to make a cookie-cutter song. Being dismissive of your critics, many of whom have more talent and less arrogance, isn't boding well for your credibility.

dude what

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