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New ban! Starting Aug 1, 21 and under cannot have ANY alcohol in blood while driving!

It just doesnt stop around here with McGuinty does it?

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21 new cutoff age for booze, driving By ANTONELLA ARTUSO, QMI Agency TORONTO - Drivers aged 21 years and under will be required to maintain a zero blood alcohol level while behind the wheel as of Aug. 1, QMI Agency has learned. The no-booze rule applies even if the driver has a full licence. The change is part of a package of driver reforms first introduced in 2008 by the Dalton McGuinty government. "Perhaps the most precious thing that we have in our society is our children, and that includes our older children," McGuinty said when the changes were first announced. "I think we owe it to our kids to take the kinds of measures, take the steps, that ensure that they will grow up safe." Currently, Ontario drivers with a G1 or G2 beginner's licence must maintain a zero blood alcohol level. However, motorists with a G licence won't get into trouble unless they're found to have a blood alcohol concentration (BAC) in the warning rage, 0.5 to 0.8, or higher. The new rule demands that all drivers up to the age of 21 years, 364 days, 11 hours and 59 minutes maintain a zero BAC while motoring. According to the MADD website, new stiffer sanctions for drivers who break these and other rules will take effect the same day. Novice and young drivers caught drinking and driving get an immediate 24-hour roadside licence suspension, and could face a fine of $60-$500, according to MADD. For a third conviction on this and other driving violations, a new driver would be stripped of a novice licence and forced to begin the process anew. The anti-impaired driving groups say 15- to 25-year-olds are disproportionately involved in alcohol-related crash deaths. "Zero BAC requirements have been shown, both internationally and in Canada ... to reduce the rates of alcohol-related crashes," the website says. Government figures show that teen drivers are more likely to be in a collision than drivers in any other age group. In 2005, motor vehicle collisions were the leading cause of hospital admissions among youth aged 15 to 24. [email protected]

Um, excuse me Mcguinty but people 18-21 are considered YOUNG ADULTS not OLDER CHILDREN! What a fucking idiot.

How do we teach people responsibility if we dont give them any? I really think this is the first step toward a 21 and up drinking age in ontario.

God Bless America

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Originally posted by Jayx1 How do we teach people responsibility if we dont give them any? I really think this is the first step toward a 21 and up drinking age in ontario.

if a person can keep their BAC at 0% then they are much more responsible than a person who is able to have a few drinks.

edit: however, i do think this new law is dumb. just because a person had a couple beers does not mean they are not capable of driving. bbl gotta meet up with mcguinty now for some drinks.

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Originally posted by chinamon if a person can keep their BAC at 0% then they are much more responsible than a person who is able to have a few drinks. edit: however, i do think this new law is dumb. just because a person had a couple beers does not mean they are not capable of driving. bbl gotta meet up with mcguinty now for some drinks.

if the law is .08 for adults, it should be that way for adults. How do people learn how to handle that law if we dont let them?

I feel sorry for kids if the drinking age goes up to 21.

But assuming you just turn 19 thats 2 years with a license you cant get booked. So not that bad, especially since prime partying in a youth doesnt really start till like 22 or so. they are still irresponsible and immature (mentally) until 20-21.

I also dont believe people should be booked if they had 2 drinks and got behind the wheel. it does not always mean they are drunk. especially if you turn red after 1 beer. that holds no merit if you ask me.

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Originally posted by Dior Homme especially if you turn red after 1 beer.

i hate that.

21y old in canada is like a 16y old in europe

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Originally posted by Jayx1 How do people learn how to handle that law if we dont let them?

but if the new law says 0% for under 21 then it teaches them to be even more responsible by not drinking at all. they are still handling the law... its just a new law.

The children! Won't somebody please think about the children!?

"Children aren't special" - George Carlin

like the public works thingie, this is another example of too many shades of grey to make it more confusing for people

Now its like
-18 to 21 - no booze
- others up to .05 ur cool, 0.05 to .08....oooh lets be a pain and cause you trouble
- 0.08 ....oooh snap, ur fucked

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Originally posted by chinamon but if the new law says 0% for under 21 then it teaches them to be even more responsible by not drinking at all. they are still handling the law... its just a new law.

so lets just make it 0 for everyone then. Why are we treating adults like children?

heres what i would do.

Id drop most drinking laws in ontario. You can drink in public, no last call etc. Also would mandate all night transit service on weekends.

In exchange there would be 0 tolerance for everyone for drinking and driving.

its time to start treating adults like adults. Im sick of the mcguinty nanny state

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Originally posted by Jayx1 so lets just make it 0 for everyone then...

Your wish may come sooner than you think.

Mark my words, it's going to happen. I'll bet within five years.

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Originally posted by Prometheus Xex Your wish may come sooner than you think. Mark my words, it's going to happen. I'll bet within five years.

but without the trade off of looser alcohol rules im sure.


Ontario's motto: Shut up, forget about fun, and pay your taxes, or we will beat you!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 so lets just make it 0 for everyone then. Why are we treating adults like children? heres what i would do. Id drop most drinking laws in ontario. You can drink in public, no last call etc. Also would mandate all night transit service on weekends. In exchange there would be 0 tolerance for everyone for drinking and driving. its time to start treating adults like adults. Im sick of the mcguinty nanny state

honestly, north americans would destroy anything and everything if that happened. they dont know how to control themselves. its not like europe. drink anywhere, no last call... few empty bottles here and there but they have way more control of themselves than we do here.

im not one to be a complete mess when intoxicated because its not in my personality... but those people in the vip booth pouring the vodka in each others mouths for fun are probably the people whom you dont want to see your rule apply.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 if the law is .08 for adults, it should be that way for adults. How do people learn how to handle that law if we dont let them?

Exactly, how do you ban people age 18-21 from having a drink when everyone else is allowed 0.08%? They don't think 'older children' are responsible for controlling their alcohol levels, yet they are allowed to vote which is one of the most powerful right as an adult citizen.

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Originally posted by Dior Homme honestly, north americans would destroy anything and everything if that happened. they dont know how to control themselves. its not like europe. drink anywhere, no last call... few empty bottles here and there but they have way more control of themselves than we do here. im not one to be a complete mess when intoxicated because its not in my personality... but those people in the vip booth pouring the vodka in each others mouths for fun are probably the people whom you dont want to see your rule apply.

thats what they said when the topless law came in back in the 90s. Ontarians are going to abuse it and it will be mayhem. Europeans are more controlled etc etc. And they were right. For about 6 months! And now how often do you see toplessness?

Its amazing how making something "taboo" actually encourages it.

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Originally posted by I_Am_Vince Exactly, how do you ban people age 18-21 from having a drink when everyone else is allowed 0.08%? They don't think 'older children' are responsible for controlling their alcohol levels, yet they are allowed to vote which is one of the most powerful right as an adult citizen.

exactly how? By voting for dalton i guess! Mcguinty loves to twist the law to make it fit into his authoritarian ideals.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 thats what they said when the topless law came in back in the 90s. Ontarians are going to abuse it and it will be mayhem. Europeans are more controlled etc etc. And they were right. For about 6 months! And now how often do you see toplessness? Its amazing how making something "taboo" actually encourages it.

ya but going topless and exposing your body is something girls would hesitate first before cracking a beer open in the middle of dundas square. north american are animals man, we can't seem to know our limits. they were brought up that way... so its different.

and if your law was to be legal, getting into a car after 1 or two beers is really tough. ie. what if we went to lunch had 2 beers then drove back to work only to get stopped... automatically lose your license? doesnt always make sense.

and besides... our beaches here are shit in toronto lol its not worth going topless here especially with all the creepos with spy cams and leaving razor blades at ashbridges bay lol.

brampton has professors lake which is a man made lake. its full of kids but i get a great tan and the water is clean + tested every week. costs $3 but i feel much safer there and no one bothers me. and no, i dont go there for the kids LMAO

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Originally posted by Jayx1 thats what they said when the topless law came in back in the 90s. Ontarians are going to abuse it and it will be mayhem. Europeans are more controlled etc etc. And they were right. For about 6 months! And now how often do you see toplessness? Its amazing how making something "taboo" actually encourages it.

Every time I see a woman with a top on at the beach it pisses me off. I made my fiance get rid of all her tops.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Every time I see a woman with a top on at the beach it pisses me off. I made my fiance get rid of all her tops.

Prove it!

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Originally posted by Dior Homme Prove it!

LOL... I've been waiting for that law to come into effect for years, and when it does... nothing. I haven't been to an major beach in about three years, but when I did go, you were lucky if MAYBE one person went topless. Dam rip off I'd say... LOL. Probably wouldn't matter anyway since there's too many disrespectful "pigs" that would make any girl feel too uncomfortable to even bother.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 if the law is .08 for adults, it should be that way for adults. How do people learn how to handle that law if we dont let them?

Actually. although "technically" the law is .08......if you are pulled over with .05 or higher you automatically get a fine and get your license suspended (first time 3 days, second time 7 days, third time 30 days). This came into effect last summer and replaced the old 12 hour suspensions. You cannot argue or dispute this fine/suspension in any way.

This, I think is absolute BS!!!! If I'm driving while within my legal right here in Ontario and blow over .05 (not against the law!) my license gets suspended AND I get a fine AND I have no recourse whatsoever in deputing that. Although, if I break the law and blow over .08 at least I have a right to a fair trial and can defend myself in court and dispute the charge. I honestly cant believe that in Canada they can impose such a penalty without allowing you to AT LEAST be able to dispute the accusation. Even our parking tickets are disputable.

Anyway, although this law seems quite restrictive I do see the value in this being put in place. Most drivers can't have any alcohol in their blood till they are a full G license anyway, and I think teaching younger adults to not drive with any booze in their system is a good thing. It only takes a couple drinks to get over the limit so drivers should just learn to not drink and this will help them learn that sort of thinking.

P.S. Are you aware that for most people two drinks will put you over the legal limit? I was surprised to find this out myself but it's true. I always thought that it was one drink per hour to be save but this isn't true either, it takes two hours to get rid of a single drink.

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In 2005, motor vehicle collisions were the leading cause of hospital admissions among youth aged 15 to 24.

I think its a good idea what the government did with regards to this issue. There are way too many bad young drivers out there, and other people pay the price. Today's youth, no offense, is less mature and less responsible. Ban of alcohol is for their own good - its not that big of a deal. People shouldn't drink and drive anyway, even in small amounts IMO. Because that encourages unsafe driving.

I've lost friends to drinking, one with vehicular accidents and two with alcohol poisoning (one acute, one consequential). A pregnant mother, good friend, killed in a car crash by a drunk, an overdrinking death, and a death of a friend due to cold weather, while drunk.

As a DJ, I've witnessed many cases of young drunk people driving home, surprising how many didn't end up in an accident. I've seen and read many cases in the paper of young people paying the price for alcohol abuse, almost weekly articles in the paper.

When it comes to responsibility, laws need to be tightened. The new generation of young people don't know much about responsibility, no offense. They don't teach qualities like that in school, I am afraid. And parents don't do much parenting anymore.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 the topless law came in back in the 90s

There was no top-less law that was re-instated. An Ontario court ruled that one woman's actions (being top-less walking down the street) did not violate the community standard of tolerance for one particular community (a town in Guelph, I believe). Because all communities have unique community standards of tolerance, each and every case needs to be judged on its own merit.

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doesn't bother me at all. 19 and 20 year olds are still very mature... I'm sure most people would agree that at that age they still did all the stupid shit they did when they were a teen.

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