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East West Voices of Passion (anyone have this?)

Anybody have this? I just ordered it and would love to hear some comments from fellow EDM producers. It sounds wonderful in the demos and youtubes i've seen. Is it worth the $200?

kinda approaching the asymptote of just buying stock music. I can see people that do TV work and need a certain ethnic feel and can't afford the studio time and vocalist but as an artist making music, which is what I assume you see yourself, as you really aren't in it as a commercial venture, I think it takes away from your style and groups you with all those other producers that have to rely on other peoples musical accomplishments to make their own tracks.

yes it sounds great but I think it sort of goes against the ethos of making EDM which should be artistic because you aren't making money. Why use something that isn't yours. Record your own vocals and rely on your own devices.

As you can see i'm not a fan of libraries like this. They are pretty much stock music and really a bad thing for the music industry as a whole. I also think any use of it is so blatantly obvious that it makes you look a little silly especially as an EDM producer who tend to be held to higher standards regarding the source of their sounds.

Finally you really need to stop asking what people think after you have purchased something. This is the 3rd time and there really is no point. You bought it. Hope you enjoy premade music.

Perhaps i'm being a tad harsh but this post, and a few others regarding people making sounds for you at ridiculous prices , trying to find people to write music for the talentless Okenfoald ( trust me, everyone in tinsel town that even knows about this douche thinks he is a talentless opportunist and the butt end of money jokes ) sort of destroys your artistic dignity. The way you approach music makes me vomit a little.

Thanks for the input. Can't say I agree with it all, but I suppose I can understand why you would feel that way. It's not very feasible though for me to find some people (5 people from multiple countries) to make something like this. "Stock" music sounds have helped produce great, classic EDM tracks. Just because you are using samples doesn't mean you are not an artist. You have to be artististic with them, sometimes even more so than with just a regular sound you might synthesize.

And why can't I ask for others opinions on something I've already bought? I don't see a problem with this thread at all. Yes, I ordered it and I'm anxiously awaiting for it to get here. I was going to order it regardless of what was said here or anywhere (I did read around) - I'm just wondering the opinions of those here on TA who might have and use it. That's all.

there a difference between using a sample that is not recognizable and things like this that have the melody and phrase all laid out. And yes, using things like this makes you less of an artist. You aren't in control of what they sing. You aren't creating. You are using things in way that isn't unique or original. People like you don't develop style because they don't know what they want. They need a preset box so they can go thru and say yes or no. That isn't creating. That is akin to Britney Spears in the studio. You might be a producer in the traditional sense of the word but an artist ?

Why make EDM if you are just going to subjugate the creative part to tools that have already done the work. Why not do something that will make money. Since your artistic credibility is non existent, why not just make something a little more financially rewarding.

Sorry to unload but I have quite an aversion to people that use pre made midis, melodies, loops, sounds you name it to the point where the process of making a track is a matter of yes and no decisions and then have the audacity to consider themselves composers or musicians.

As far as the product, there is no mystery. A bank of recorded melodies by different singers. It is what it is.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad Perhaps i'm being a tad harsh but this post, and a few others regarding people making sounds for you at ridiculous prices , trying to find people to write music for the talentless Okenfoald ( trust me, everyone in tinsel town that even knows about this douche thinks he is a talentless opportunist and the butt end of money jokes ) sort of destroys your artistic dignity. The way you approach music makes me vomit a little.

don't know why you would hate on Paul. I've had the pleasure of hanging out with him in Vegas and talking about a business proposal over the phone and he was exactly the opposite of what I was expecting. He called at 10 am on a Saturday. The man never stops working. He gets the job done. He can be the butt end of a joke for everybody in west hollywood but at the end of the day who is sitting in a mansion on operto drive with one of the best views in the country? I doubt they are.

Sorry if you don't like my approach. Yes, it is very "oakenfold" like, but that is who I grew up listening to, respect, and try to follow. I know it's the cool thing to hate him, which is fine. But people really shouldn't hold strong opinions about things they don't understand so I think it's ridiculous for people to talk shit about him and they don't know him up from down. I can't stand deadmouse's music but I don't go around talking $hit about him and his approach to music/personal life or make comments about him making me want to throw up. Never have, never will.

Surprised you would bad mouth somebody publicly if you're in the industry, but after all, you are hiding behind an alias and keyboard, so I guess you can say whatever you want about people and stay incognito.

Why not go one step further


http://www.templates.com/product/st...sic/electronic/

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad there a difference between using a sample that is not recognizable and things like this that have the melody and phrase all laid out. And yes, using things like this makes you less of an artist. You aren't in control of what they sing. You aren't creating. You are using things in way that isn't unique or original. People like you don't develop style because they don't know what they want. They need a preset box so they can go thru and say yes or no. That isn't creating. That is akin to Britney Spears in the studio. You might be a producer in the traditional sense of the word but an artist ? Why make EDM if you are just going to subjugate the creative part to tools that have already done the work. Why not do something that will make money. Since your artistic credibility is non existent, why not just make something a little more financially rewarding. Sorry to unload but I have quite an aversion to people that use pre made midis, melodies, loops, sounds you name it to the point where the process of making a track is a matter of yes and no decisions and then have the audacity to consider themselves composers or musicians. As far as the product, there is no mystery. A bank of recorded melodies by different singers. It is what it is.

If you care, my remix of "Frustration" from TasteXperience was synthesized 99%. Everything except the screaming FX. Even synthesized the percussion. It's not like I can't do it or don't know what I want. I know exactly what I want. I just can't go to 5 different countries to have singers record for me so I am stuck with having to filter through libraries like this looking for melodic sounds that fit my style and that I approve of.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad Why not go one step further http://www.templates.com/product/st...sic/electronic/

I prefer this

http://www.dancemidisamples.com/MIDI-Packs.html

LOL

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Originally posted by Stephen Wiley If you care, my remix of "Frustration" from TasteXperience was synthesized 99% and played by many reputable people, including the person you were talking smack about above. Everything except the screaming FX. Even synthesized the percussion. It's not like I can't do it or don't know what I want. I know exactly what I want. I just can't go to 5 different countries to have singers record for me so I am stuck with having to filter through libraries like this looking for melodic sounds that fit my style and that I approve of.

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Originally posted by Stephen Wiley don't know why you would hate on Paul. :

He is a vulture that feeds off the talent of others while not crediting the people that do his work. He is an asshole. He is a cocaine addict. I don't understand how you can see anything remotely cool about him. He is a fame whore with absolutely no integrity. AS far as getting the job done ? What job ? I thought he was completely washed up.

I just don't understand the concept of selling your soul / dignity / credibility to make money when you could just become an investment banker. Why do music. I've never understood that. I think he has some issues regarding ego and well I suppose telling himself in the mirror that he is a relevant player in the industry makes him tingle in the morning.

As far as a 10 AM call ? That isn't what I would say early. I also don't understand why he is using you. If he is such a player, why not get representation in Hollywood. He has probably contacted a bunch of lapdogs ready to do anything for him at no cost.

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Originally posted by Stephen Wiley

so embrace what you can do. Those singers aren't you. Honestly, do you need to make tracks that have these singers ? You develop style by relying on your own devices. Every single influential producer was influential because they had a sound and they had a sound because it was theirs. It was not reliant on some sample library. The reason I make such a big deal is that you make EDM and if there isn't money, you might as well be as creative and artistic as you can be. There is no point selling out when there is no money. And my boss has the library. He does use it but it is different. We are making music that isn't creative and it serves a commercial purpose. There is significant dividends but nobody actually thinks that using these tools is a good thing. It is a cop out.

From the demos it sounds like it would be excellent for making those dramatic musical punctuations for an action movie set in ancient or medieval times. Like when something tragic happens, the main character's buddy falls in battle or something.

Sorry to be a Negative Nancy, but this kind of stuff in dance music sounds more than a bit ridiculous and "canned" to me. In fact it sounds that way almost anywhere as it has been played to death for emotional effects in cliche-ridden action and war movies, but it's even worse in the context of electronic music because there I know that it probably has been reused from some other music or swiped from a sample library. Sampling can be a creative endeavor, but not so much when it is cheaply used to tap into the tired old shorthand of an "ethnic" vocal signaling a dramatic emotional peak.

I tend to play it when ever the engineer comes in to work as he is from some middle eastern country. I also play Beats Working In Cuba ( latin american drum groove program) when ever my girlfriend ( half mexican ) talks to her dad. Very racist but somehow very funny. And of course the tuba over the loudspeaker as the fat ass tech moves mics. Its all in good fun.

I have VOP. I bought it for a side project when it first came out and that's about all I've used it for. I've used some of the samples for some demo idea tracks that I've put together, but nothing I've finished without either replacing the samples by a real singer or by a more "playable" library. It has a cool "wow" factor when you just sit there and play through some of the samples, but that's about it and I really don't think it's very usable for EDM - downtempo and commercial stuff, sure, but not really EDM IMO. I really wish you had asked before buying it and I could have steered you toward some Kontakt libraries (e.g., Bela D DIVA) that would give you much more usability.

All that said, there are some pros: VOP has some oohs/aahs in there that are quite usable, and you could always bounce the samples to audio and chop them up to get some more usable and less canned results. The sound quality of the most of the EWQL stuff (including VOP) is very nice as well.

Another reason it feels cheap is this: I get the sense that it does not even matter to the producer what the singer is saying, what language the musical phrases are in, or whatever. We just use modern technology to strip a piece of a non-Western musical tradition of all context and revel in its "foreignness" and "primal" emotional appeal to Western listeners habituated to action movies that feature ethnic wails during slow motion parts in epic battle scenes.

It's just really sloppy and ham-fisted shorthand. Even if you don't "mean" it that way, that is the cultural significance of it.

I doubt that criticism will sit well with many people, but there it is.

i'm sure there is some death to the infidels lyric in there just for fun

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad i'm sure there is some death to the infidels lyric in there just for fun

LOL!

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Another reason it feels cheap is this: I get the sense that it does not even matter to the producer what the singer is saying, what language the musical phrases are in, or whatever.

Well, that's a good point, made even more relevant by the fact that the phrases aren't actual words - they're just vowel sounds, wails, and individual words. The canned phrases don't actually say anything IIRC - they're just designed to "resemble" each of the languages in the library.

But, that said, some of the patches contain a limited number of words that can be keyswitched and played to create your own musical phrases/melodies, but the results are pretty choppy/unfluid and the selection of words is pretty small to be of any practical use.

i think stephen wants to be inspired by the sounds that come with the east west sample packs.
nothing wrong with that it makes for some good ideas tho it still can be very tricky and most people will use them in key places.
and can be useful for fast work flow

Well I wouldn't put it in anything I was actually going to release but I guess it'd be ok for inspiration as Owien said. I think if you put it in a track it'd be a bit culturally insensitive and (as the vocals don't make any actual sense) you'd seem a bit stupid. Imagine how you'd feel if you heard a track with an "engrish" sample which just didn't make sense, sort of like the manual for a japanese computer or something, it'd just make you laugh.

MFB's outburst would be more than acceptable if it wasn't directed towards Wiley -- there aren't many people here that have a better idea of the sounds and style they specifically want to create song-by-song than him. Wiley legitimately does seem to know exactly what he's doing when he's making a track.

Yeah, it's generally a cop-out to use premade melodic phrases but I don't think Wiley would ever use them to a point of relying on them for anything significant. It just conveys a style that he can't achieve with his own means.

he knows what he wants when he hears it. That isn't creation. That is selection. Either way, that post he made about people making sounds for him was so incredibly lame and it will take alot to make me forget that pr quagmire.

well MFB, after more research, I actually called and cancelled the VOP order and ordered the vocaloid2 prima from zero-g instead because it is much more flexible. i will probably get VOP in the future, but it dropped way down on the wants list now that I've filled my desire for hymns with a decent machine that can synthesize them.

and yes, i know what i want out of a track. just like i do with my life. it drives my girlfriend nuts because i know exactly what i want out of life and what makes me happy and she, along with most of the planet, don't.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad he knows what he wants when he hears it. That isn't creation. That is selection. Either way, that post he made about people making sounds for him was so incredibly lame and it will take alot to make me forget that pr quagmire.

you should be giving me props for being honest and not shady about it/getting people to do NDA work for me. I know so much ghost writing that goes on with the big names, and i mean *THE* big names, for a fact, because I've seen the actual f'in projects for one and completely trust the other writer. Obviously I can't say anything more, but jeez man it's not like I'm shelling out cash and making people sign NDA's to write music for me while I tour the planet and live a fake life.

Excuse me if I am looking for smoeone to just make a few synth patches....jesus

i'm sure your intentions are good.

as far as the people making patches ? You offer 5$ for what might take someone 1 hour of work. Not only is the premise completely ridiculous but you aren't paying people what they are worth. I'm sorry but an EDM artist that has to pay others to make them sounds is a complete hack. Perhaps you did not intend it that way but it really shows your approach to those that are creative and the rewards they should receive. You aren't even interested in learning how. You just want them and don't want to work for it. Perhaps it is your work ethic that annoys me. There is definitely something about you that makes me roll my eyes.

Anyways, I think we've already established that you are a business person and the creative process is not really a high priority for you. I suppose this is why I don't respect you. There is already too many vultures like that and the world doesn't need one more. You even said your approach is the Paul Okenfoald approach.

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