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Scale Tone Chords, YES or NO ????

I've being doing some research into music theory lately (most as gone over my head) and i stumbled across,

Scale Tone Chords (see link below), and since then it appears that 99% of trance tracks follow these basic progressions ???

Feel free to agree or disagree...


http://www.free-online-piano-lesson...rds-triads.html

99% of all electronic dance music uses the minor scale.

are you saying almost all edm tracks are not using a specific key on the keyboard?

I would say, edm does not follow any specific rules of chord progression. Some might do and to me it always been important to know the basics of scales and chords to have a starting point.

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Originally posted by orTof�nChiLd are you saying almost all edm tracks are not using a specific key on the keyboard?

No because you can use the scale on all the twelve keys.

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Originally posted by Subtle No because you can use the scale on all the twelve keys.

i thought a Scale only had 7 notes out of the 12 ??

That's just the diatonic major/minor scale, there are plenty of other scales that uses more or less, or the chromatic which uses all 12.

The page you posted isn't a list of progressions, it's just a list of all of the simple triads that can be formed with each note in a scale being used as the root note. This isn't really all that shocking, just theory 101.

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Originally posted by paulacki i thought a Scale only had 7 notes out of the 12 ??

Yes, and when u know the steps needed to create a minor scale (2-1-2-2-1-2-2)
you just learn which notes makes up a minor scale in every key and then you can easily play stuff on your keyboard etc without knowing much theory at all.
And since most of the electronic music is made up of this scale its basically all u need to know to create ace tunes.

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Originally posted by Subtle Yes, and when u know the steps needed to create a minor scale (2-1-2-2-1-2-2) you just learn which notes makes up a minor scale in every key and then you can easily play stuff on your keyboard etc without knowing much theory at all. And since most of the electronic music is made up of this scale its basically all u need to know to create ace tunes.

That formula is written down on a piece of paper and stuck on my desk directly in front of my keyboard. I could not make music without it.

Major +4 +3 (+2212221)

Minor +3 +4 (+2122122)

Augmented +4 +4

Diminished +3 +3

Annnnd

minor - root +6 +8 will call to other notes
major - root +7 +9 will call to other notes

youtube FTW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP0X...feature=related

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Originally posted by Subtle 99% of all electronic dance music uses the minor scale.

I just use the white keys, I can't be bothered touching the black ones. If I need to use a different key I use the pitch plug in. If I need to use a different scale I use the scale plug in. There's just something about those black keys that cries evil.

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Originally posted by Beatflux I just use the white keys, I can't be bothered touching the black ones. If I need to use a different key I use the pitch plug in. If I need to use a different scale I use the scale plug in. There's just something about those black keys that cries evil.

Thats one way to do it.

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Originally posted by Subtle No because you can use the scale on all the twelve keys.

so you mean certain key patterns determine wut scale ur using

its cool i think to learn this if you havent taught yourself to play the keyboard, but i think just playing some notes and recording what sounds good is the way to make unique melodies and of course you gotta use the black notes too for the most uplifting melodies, i know naff all really about music theory i think ive just basically trained my own ears over the years to know what sounds right and works and theres always one note thats not in the standard scales that when used can give a melody that extra bit of emotion, maybe i dont make sense lol but it does to me

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Originally posted by chrisspob its cool i think to learn this if you havent taught yourself to play the keyboard, but i think just playing some notes and recording what sounds good is the way to make unique melodies and of course you gotta use the black notes too for the most uplifting melodies, i know naff all really about music theory i think ive just basically trained my own ears over the years to know what sounds right and works and theres always one note thats not in the standard scales that when used can give a melody that extra bit of emotion, maybe i dont make sense lol but it does to me

you win the prize for the longest sentence on Tranceaddict.....

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Originally posted by Beatflux I just use the white keys, I can't be bothered touching the black ones. If I need to use a different key I use the pitch plug in. If I need to use a different scale I use the scale plug in. There's just something about those black keys that cries evil.

Then your using the A minor scale

most people use that for that same reason, cause its so easy to play

I personally prefer the G minor

I would like to give a shout out to A minor, E minor, and G# minor.

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Originally posted by -FSP- I would like to give a shout out to A minor, E minor, and G# minor.

major and minor scales outline major or minor keys. Because most dance doesn't really use the raised 7th or the dominant V to I resolution, it usually makes more sense from a traditional harmony standpoint to view the song in major a major key where i is really vi, VII is really V and VI is really IV but this is most likely all above your heads. I suppose it is just easiest for you to think of the key being aeolian.

Keys are really chosen in dance depending on the bass sweet spot just like keys in the classical period were dictated on the what notes the natural horn could play or the tuning of the tympani. Not much has changed.

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Originally posted by kevin shawn That formula is written down on a piece of paper and stuck on my desk directly in front of my keyboard. I could not make music without it. Major +4 +3 (+2212221) Minor +3 +4 (+2122122) Augmented +4 +4 Diminished +3 +3 Annnnd minor - root +6 +8 will call to other notes major - root +7 +9 will call to other notes youtube FTW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP0X...feature=related

FFS

just spend an hour and memorize it. It isn't really rocket science.

It really annoys me when people just suggest that you learn a minor key and thats all you need to know. Its one of the reasons trance all sounds the same, because it all has the same bloody progressions!

Try learning about modes and doing something new, even if its still really simple compared to what a classical composer could do, it'll still sound really unusual in a dance context just because no one else is doing this stuff!

^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n0an-7IxSI

whwwhww ftw.

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Originally posted by kitphillips It really annoys me when people just suggest that you learn a minor key and thats all you need to know. Its one of the reasons trance all sounds the same, because it all has the same bloody progressions!

Cant say i agree to this, things tend to sound the same cause people think the same way. The important thing is not the chords themselves but the rhythm and sounds you apply to them and how you choose to arrange it. I rotate my favorite progressions on my tracks and they do not sound the same.

^^^ I'm not saying you CAN'T make good music with the same 4 chords, I'm just saying that it makes it harder to distinguish your songs from each other. I try not to re use progressions too much.

it also doesn't help that these progressions have been used for hundreds of years. Well the typical trance progression at least from 1850.

I would say that a chord progression is as important for a track as the property you would build a house on, with the whole house being everything else in the track.
Meaning when you have the foundation you yet have a shitload of work to do.

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