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Ghost writing

Curious times

I've had two people contact me in the last couple of weeks about ghost writing for them.

What's the usual deal with that, if there is a usual deal?

I'm not precious about what I'm doing so don't mind losing my made up name plastered all over it.

And of course, i'm not an established 'artist' in any way. But they did come to me! One of them has been tickling me for weeks in fact.

Oh, and one of them earns part of his living doing it so is at least fairly legit.

I know a few personally who have had tracks written for them. I disagree with it but they're friends so what do I say. I don't think it's a good thing if you are having tracks written for you but that being said, I'd write them for someone else absolutely.

I would do it for no less than $500 a track and get most of the royalties if any. My friend paid $1500 I think to get his written but it was done buy a very well known producer and he got the logic session afterwards to check out.

To me there would be nothing more embarrassing than having everyone find out that your latest track was written by someone else.

Congrads on people approaching you looking for a ghostwriter. You must have your finger on the pulse of today's hot sound. I wanted to do some ghostwriting, but no one ever came looking for me. I don't know all the ins and outs of it. I'd be concerned about the legal part of it, and making sure you get paid. Also, you'd need to know what the going rate is per song. Sounds like the job of an agent. Hopefully someone here will give some advice.

Well you see here's the rub. I'd say that my stuff may be considered todays hot sound if it were 1999.

I'm not even sure if ghost writing is the correct term actually. In both cases it's 'will you write tracks for us and we'll pay you'. I don't know who they're going to.

I'd love to think that $500-1500 were achievable, but as a part time hobbyist, I doubt it!

a lot of time ago, about 2004, we selled a track to a wellknow producer on the hardstyle scene for about 350 Euros, LOL !

If I could get hald that i'd quit my job and bang out 10 a week

i say go with the flow man if they turn out really demanding and you feal like its to much shit then you have the choise off pulling out.

money up front. Highball it. And put some watermark only you will know like your name backwards slowed down so that you can show off to all your friends despite the NDA

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Originally posted by tehlord Well you see here's the rub. I'd say that my stuff may be considered todays hot sound if it were 1999. I'm not even sure if ghost writing is the correct term actually. In both cases it's 'will you write tracks for us and we'll pay you'. I don't know who they're going to. I'd love to think that $500-1500 were achievable, but as a part time hobbyist, I doubt it!

It would only be ghost writing if you took someone's song idea or melody and built around it. Much like in the book publishing industry, where a ghostwriter takes someone's story idea and fleshes it out into a slick, professional manuscript.

Pop, rock, hip hop and R&B artists buy songs outright, but they actually perform them and make them their own. They usually credit the author of song. That's another thing altogether, and I wouldn't call that ghost writing either.

Buying a song outright and claiming it as your own is sleazy and deceptive, but at least they are not stealing. Yeah, money up front, definately.

Id ghost produce in a heartbeat, $400 min. =D

They only reason they want you to ghost produce is for their own benefit. Don�t forget that you should benefit too. Ask for the jackpot because if it does well you get squat if they buy off all rights.

Thanks for teh advice.

I'm really not bothered about my name not being on anything so i'll give it a whirl.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad money up front. Highball it. And put some watermark only you will know like your name backwards slowed down so that you can show off to all your friends despite the NDA

lol **in very low pitch** "BBBBBLLLUUUUUUUFFFFFF MOOOOOOOONKEEEEEEYYYY"


You can also put a monkey sample at the end of each track.

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Originally posted by Viber lol **in very low pitch** "BBBBBLLLUUUUUUUFFFFFF MOOOOOOOONKEEEEEEYYYY" You can also put a monkey sample at the end of each track.

It's already there, that's why you remember my naaaaaaaaaaame

i'm pretty sure that strict ghost writing is quasi illegal even if it is work for hire in that there is something called natural copyright laws of which one of them is to have your name associated with anything you create. I'm pretty sure that supersedes any NDA. YOu just can't talk about the project but you can say you were involved. It might be called something else as google is not turning up anything for natural but I remember it during my law class. Or maybe i'm thinking about reckless sexual assault with a senior citizen. The class was pretty thick in information and I was drawing pictures of cats for the most part.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad i'm pretty sure that strict ghost writing is quasi illegal even if it is work for hire in that there is something called natural copyright laws of which one of them is to have your name associated with anything you create. I'm pretty sure that supersedes any NDA. YOu just can't talk about the project but you can say you were involved. It might be called something else as google is not turning up anything for natural but I remember it during my law class. Or maybe i'm thinking about reckless sexual assault with a senior citizen. The class was pretty thick in information and I was drawing pictures of cats for the most part.

I want to see the cats.

I've just read something similar over at Gearslutz, somthing to avoid people getting ripped off etc.

As long as I know what the score is, how much and when i'm cool however it works.

Thanks for teh info.

but you have to remember what can be copyrighted. If you make an arrangement, that can't be copyrighted so those natural laws I mentioned don't apply and you have no claim on the outcome even if it technically was a creation. I've read a few articles discussing the creative content of an actual engineer mix but again , I don't think any court as made any landslide precedent so we are still stuck with melody and lyrics. So just throw in a lyric of your choosing and your set. Something EDM like *^$#% the dj or something just as original.

IF you can't use it as a reference and it doesn't advance your career in some measurable way, it really isn't worth your time unless you are getting some significant money. But since most people in EDM are crooks , chances are you won't get paid and you might cry late at night.

More great info. Ta.

I've found over the last 20 years there are crooks in most businesses so I can only protenct myself to the best of my ability I guess.

Still, if it does happen, it'll only be the once from that particular person.

Nice cat btw, even if some of her nipples have fallen off.

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Originally posted by tehlord It's already there, that's why you remember my naaaaaaaaaaame

lol , just saw this on my FB:


How bout it Koko?

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