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Posted by digitalEyes on Sep-14-2010 14:18:

Can you get any more intense than this?

I'm sure most of you have heard this song.

Dark By Design - Blackout




Can you give me something more intense than that build-up? I have yet to play anything in a closed area (say a car with a good system, and LOUD) that has the paralyzing, overloading-the-senses vice grip that this song has for those few moments. It doesn't have to be hard trance, by the way, and it doesn't have to necessarily be the build-up of the song. Just a part of a song that has managed to reach that "maximum capacity" feel in your mind that differentiates it from all the other music that sounds good to you. (It's not an emotional thing by the way, it's a transcendent aural invasion of your senses. Maybe you'll cry an emotional tear or something after it's happened, but it is separate from that "Candle in the Wind" or "Puff the Magic Dragon" emotional reaction that you don't want anyone else to know you are having, if that makes sense.)


Posted by stealthman on Sep-14-2010 15:02:


Posted by infiniteJEST on Sep-14-2010 15:36:

quote:
Originally posted by stealthman




but

The build-up is neat, the rest of the track is pretty lame. Especially the drop.......................................BLACKOUT.

You get the notion that the entire thing exists solely for the UBER EPIC breakdown, which is hardly entrancing. I prefer a build-up to not be so grandiose that you lose grip on the proportions of the whole thing, a good example would be 00.db's Entropy.

EDIT: oops, accidentally hit submit on a lag spike. Anyway here it is:



Right after the 4:00 mark, I think 4:20 to be exact. There's a upward shift of momentum without losing the concept of the whole, which you know, makes it all trance-like.

EDIT #2: sorry about the lame youtube video advertising piracy, it was the only upload of the song I could find that I could upload in the U.S.


Posted by Zak McKracken on Sep-14-2010 15:41:

entropy is such a lame name for a edm track as level of entropy is hardly present in edm anymore, or ever was.


Posted by digitalEyes on Sep-14-2010 16:44:

quote:
Originally posted by couch-potato


but

The build-up is neat, the rest of the track is pretty lame. Especially the drop.......................................BLACKOUT.

You get the notion that the entire thing exists solely for the UBER EPIC breakdown, which is hardly entrancing. I prefer a build-up to not be so grandiose that you lose grip on the proportions of the whole thing, a good example would be 00.db's Entropy.





Right after the 4:00 mark, I think 4:20 to be exact. There's a upward shift of momentum without losing the concept of the whole, which you know, makes it all trance-like.



I agree with your analysis of Blackout. After that build-up, I usually listen for a few seconds then change the song; its like the rest of the song can't hold the heavy weight it produces during its peak. It pretty much does sound like the song was produced solely for that buildup.

As for your song, I definitely enjoy a producer that can increase the momentum it creates throughout a song while maintaining its "concept" as you put it. Entropy has that quality much more than Blackout.

One of the best examples I have of a song increasing in momentum at a steady pace is Santos - Pump It Up




Here is another song that reaches "maximum capacity" in the end:




This song ALMOST achieves it for me, but I'm sharing it because it is awesome regardless


Posted by Redd on Sep-14-2010 17:00:

quote:
Originally posted by nortek
entropy is such a lame name for a edm track as level of entropy is hardly present in edm anymore, or ever was.


I guess you think a lot of names are lame


Posted by Woony on Sep-14-2010 17:05:



This thing never stops building.


Posted by IL Ducce on Sep-14-2010 17:09:

it stops at 8:47


Posted by Rodri Santos on Sep-14-2010 17:58:

wow that build is pretty intense yes, mmm first track i've thought is Simon Patterson - Thump has a similar structure with that pitched and distorted kick.

This 2 tracks have an intense build but in different way:





This last track has a very emotive build and an amazing drop, probably my favourite track this year, intense in a different way, i've seen videos people recording this track and their camera tremble is an undescriptable feeling


Posted by Trance-M on Sep-14-2010 18:59:

Don't know if this is what you meant, but these came up:



Different but starting @1:10 it gets


Posted by Zak McKracken on Sep-14-2010 21:10:

quote:
Originally posted by Redd
I guess you think a lot of names are lame

yes but i dont blame them, its tricky. actually the most tricky part of music imo, is naming. atleast edm, i fail totally myself lol.


Posted by IL Ducce on Sep-14-2010 22:01:

stop calling it edm because you can't dance to any of this shite.


Posted by bas on Sep-14-2010 22:21:


Posted by digitalEyes on Sep-14-2010 22:42:

Thanks for posting stuff guys. Of course it's all subjective, but that's the fun part. I'm listening to your songs now. I'll post more as I think of them too. I've personally listened to multiple genres of electronica as my tastes have changed and its fun to stop and think back to which one isn't necessarily the best sounding, but has produced the most "intense" songs. While I love progressive house, nothing can get the blood in my veins flowing faster than some hard acid like the Matabu Part 1 tune in an earlier post.


Posted by Trance-M on Sep-15-2010 18:44:

quote:
Originally posted by IL Ducce
stop calling it edm because I can't dance to any of this.


Fixed, because thousands including me did dance on it.


Posted by floyd741 on Sep-15-2010 19:48:

There's not really a specific part I can find in this and say, "that's intense". The whole track is just.. fucking intense.


Posted by IL Duce on Sep-15-2010 20:08:

quote:
Originally posted by Trance-MB
Fixed, because thousands including me did dance on it.


jumping up and down on a pretend pogo stick for 12 hours while chewing off your face and looking for rainbows through your tears is not dancing.


Posted by Trance-M on Sep-15-2010 20:33:

quote:
Originally posted by IL Duce
jumping up and down on a pretend pogo stick for 12 hours while chewing off your face and looking for rainbows through your tears is not dancing.


LOL it's not hardcore or jumpstyle!!! Obviously you weren't there in the mid 90's and don't know what you're talking about.

Besides that, jumping on music is dancing too: tribes, Indians?


Posted by Rodri Santos on Sep-15-2010 20:35:

quote:
Originally posted by IL Duce
jumping up and down on a pretend pogo stick for 12 hours while chewing off your face and looking for rainbows through your tears is not dancing.


emm it's really up to you how you dance, if you prefer house thats alright, this stuff is freaking intense both in melodic content, percussions and emotions in some cases, i've never jumped as high with house or any other genre than this kind of trance.


Posted by ziptnf on Sep-15-2010 20:38:

quote:
Originally posted by IL Duce
chewing off your face

Didn't you used to do this?


Posted by IL Duce on Sep-15-2010 20:50:

quote:
Originally posted by ziptnf
Didn't you used to do this?


proof


Posted by PivotTechno on Sep-15-2010 22:38:

I prefer DJs who manipulate their own breakdowns/buildups, rather than letting the tracks claim all the glory. Marco Carola was exceptional at this at his peak in the late 1990s. Claude Young and Jay Denham are two other guys capable of inducing nosebleeds on a good night.


Posted by infiniteJEST on Sep-15-2010 22:49:

quote:
Originally posted by PivotTechno
I prefer DJs who manipulate their own breakdowns/buildups, rather than letting the tracks claim all the glory. Marco Carola was exceptional at this at his peak in the late 1990s. Claude Young and Jay Denham are two other guys capable of inducing nosebleeds on a good night.


also this


Posted by digitalEyes on Sep-15-2010 23:25:

quote:
Originally posted by floyd741
There's not really a specific part I can find in this and say, "that's intense". The whole track is just.. fucking intense.


Ah, my good man. This is some heavy shit. Nice.


Posted by digitalEyes on Sep-15-2010 23:34:

quote:
Originally posted by Rodri Santos


This last track has a very emotive build and an amazing drop, probably my favourite track this year, intense in a different way, i've seen videos people recording this track and their camera tremble is an undescriptable feeling


There is something magnificent about a song when a producer can pull off having layers and layers of synths blasting from the speakers full-force and relentlessly as that song. Very powerful and, if I was in a club, a bit existential.


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