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how do you define "fluffy trance"?

I was teasing my female friend on fb about her posting of a video of a dj she just saw in london, and i told her it was way too proggy for my taste. she chided me and said, "progressive - you're outta ur mind. it's fluffy trance."

I assume this means trance that FLOATS u in the clouds, with unicorns and rainbows flitting about. Does that sound about right? AVB being a major offender of "fluffy trance"?

It's not really a category unto itself, just a term used to describe Trance that attempts to evoke some elated sense of warmth (and often used pejoratively), which is largely associated with Epic/Melodic Trance, in which case the imagery you're linking with it sounds about right.

Why don't you tell us the name of this DJ she saw in London and then we could tell you exactly what he plays. How someone can think a fluffy trance DJ is in anyway progressive is beyond me.

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Originally posted by Kris G How someone can think a fluffy trance DJ is in anyway progressive is beyond me.

There are loads of sets posted in DJ Promotion that claim to be "progressive trance" and it's all fluffy bullshit epic trance, just below 135bpm. Trance kids don't have a clue what progressive trance means these days.

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mmmm i think the best example you can find of fluffy trance nowadays is Above & Beyond.

And a progressive set would be something like Markus Schulz

fluffy trance makes me think of the Owl City/Adam Young stuff (although Fireflies isn't trance) tracks like Chicane - Middledistancerunner and Armin van Buuren - Youtopia

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos mmmm i think the best example you can find of fluffy trance nowadays is Above & Beyond. And a progressive set would be something like Markus Schulz

This is exactly what J was talking about.

Sorry that I'm not a musical expert. Hmmm, perhaps that's the very reason why I joined this group and am posting this very question? Perhaps I actually want to learn from other people who like similar music. Or maybe I joined b/c I enjoy being ripped a new a-hole by anonymous strangers on the web (my butt's bleeding profusely thank u).

Whatever crap dj my friend saw in london I've never heard of before but it was probably fluffy trance. very melodic, female dreamy vocals, sounds like something one of the more cheesy dutch trance dj's would do (much like A&B and AVB at their dreamiest).

I've not been into EDM for that long, but I've been very good about going out to check out as many dj's as possible and I know what I like, even if I can't articulate perfectly. Rodrigi Santos was actually helpful by listing examples, although some of u seem to dispute him. Can those who know pls list out a few more examples of famous dj's who are clearly fluffy vs. clearly progressive (or better yet list particular tracks to illustrate the difference and i'll go on youtube to check them out).

To me, defining progressive is like defining umami. people end up giving examples b/c it's tricky to actually define.

how do you define "fluffy trance"?

a soap opera set to electronica...

It's soft and cuddly trance that you can rest your head and take a nap on

To me fluffy trance is more uplifting trance with all the nice piano bits and build up to a nice floaty hook. stuff like Armin, A&B and Roger Shah.

I think progressive trance has a more edgier side to it, I find it hard to explain though. Some examples might be Markus Schulz, BT, or Matt Darey.

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Originally posted by atilla To me, defining progressive is like defining umami. people end up giving examples b/c it's tricky to actually define.

this is a great analogy - i've had the same experience with trying to understand what prog is exactly.

please correct me if i'm wrong, but this is PROGRESSIVE trance/house, correct? I'm not really a technical person, but I think of progressive as typically super dreamy, echo'ey, using atmospheric sound as opposed to a driving melody to evocate emotion. typically lower bpm and long tracks (although this particular cut is only 5+ mins).

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Originally posted by atilla please correct me if i'm wrong, but this is PROGRESSIVE trance/house, correct? I'm not really a technical person, but I think of progressive as typically super dreamy, echo'ey, using atmospheric sound as opposed to a driving melody to evocate emotion. typically lower bpm and long tracks (although this particular cut is only 5+ mins).

No, it isn't. This is:

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Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights this is a great analogy - i've had the same experience with trying to understand what prog is exactly.

Progressive trance is deeper, atmospheric and more hypnotic trance that tends to feature less in the way of vocals, big hooks, snare rolls, dramatic breakdowns and unicorn fluffiness. It has a similar vibe to classic trance but it tends to be slower, better produced and with less of the acid and arps.

Slowing an epic trance record down a bit, adding white noise and throwing in a massive side-chained bassline does not make it progressive.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J No, it isn't. This is: Progressive trance is deeper, atmospheric and more hypnotic trance that tends to feature less in the way of vocals, big hooks, snare rolls, dramatic breakdowns and unicorn fluffiness. It has a similar vibe to classic trance but it tends to be slower, better produced and with less of the acid and arps. Slowing an epic trance record down a bit, adding white noise and throwing in a massive side-chained bassline does not make it progressive.

thanks your description is helpful. what really confuses me is that people say Armin Van Buuren is progressive. so then I naturally assume vocals, dramatic breakdowns, dreamy. sorry to be dumb, but maybe someone can post an armin video (or other top ranked dj) then I would probably be able to understand better the concept - or even one which is progressive and one which is not. btw, I find avb boring, but he is a big name dj so i've seen him a number of times at massives (e.g. TAO last year) and have been duped into seeing him at club dates.

http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/

I'm certain that SYSTEM-J will speak to this but progressive, in this context, is almost a dead word because it's such an over-loaded marketing term.

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Originally posted by atilla thanks your description is helpful. what really confuses me is that people say Armin Van Buuren is progressive. so then I naturally assume vocals, dramatic breakdowns, dreamy. sorry to be dumb, but maybe someone can post an armin video (or other top ranked dj) then I would probably be able to understand better the concept - or even one which is progressive and one which is not.

None of the top-ranked DJs are progressive, and if anyone tells you they are then you can safely dismiss them as clueless. Progressive trance has not been popular for about ten years.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I'm certain that SYSTEM-J will speak to this but progressive, in this context, is almost a dead word because it's such an over-loaded marketing term.

It has become a severely over-used word. People need to acknowledge that by now "progressive" is a genre in its own right, and it needs its own set of sub-genres to better classify the many types of progressive electronic music.

"Nice bro, I love progressive psy!"

"Well this is actually psy-progressive. Although these guys have lately been dicking around in dutch progressive and progressive progressive."

"Fuckin' shame, man."

"Fuckin' shame."

But it can be Progressive Trance or just Progressive which is often a denomination of Progressive House like:




And Markus Schulz plays more this than every other genre

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