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Ideas That Haven't Been Done Before

Generally, when you look at a dance song from the perspective of energy, usually the track builds and builds to a peak somewhere towards the end of the song. I was wondering if there was a track that did the complete opposite? Is there a track that peaks very early, or even starts out at the peak and then kind of diminishes over the entire track?

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Re: Ideas That Haven't Been Done Before

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Originally posted by Beatflux Generally, when you look at a dance song from the perspective of energy, usually the track builds and builds to a peak somewhere towards the end of the song. I was wondering if there was a track that did the complete opposite? Is there a track that peaks very early, or even starts out at the peak and then kind of diminishes over the entire track?

that would go against composition from every angle whether it be writing, music or film. If you show the climax early, there is no point for the rest. Things that can be improved with dance is form. Using motives that reoccur transform making the track more organic and less like a bunch of related ideas thrown together. Clever key changes that don't sound out of place like many pop songs. You can show a bit of the main part at the beginning for a bit of a bang but you need to outdo it later on or your listener will be pissed. People expect the track, usually at the golden mean for almost every type of music, to be the climax.

Wasn't most tech house like that a year or two ago..?

Like dubfire stuff peaks then drops to nothing at all. There were lots of complaints about it.

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Originally posted by kitphillips Wasn't most tech house like that a year or two ago..?

No, tech house doesn't even start with a climax. It's just 12 minutes of breakdown.

if you're talking about club tracks, im not sure if the crowd would like to be fooled by all the twists and stuff, people love going off to the peaks in sync.

there are lots of people who throw the listener off in their tracks, most probably intentionally. DJ PP - Miami Vice comes to mind, he has this huge build then goes another 8 bars before the kick comes back. really if i've learned anything in the last year it's anticipation is EVERYTHING in club music.

Which is a part of form. As i've said it before, all of Scot Projects tracks have impeccable form.

the music i listen to is static. teh djs make the peak and breakdown by eqing/filtering and adding elements from the next or previous track (or random 909 sounds like the ride). i wish other genres than techno would try that too.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad You can show a bit of the main part at the beginning for a bit of a bang but you need to outdo it later on or your listener will be pissed. People expect the track, usually at the golden mean for almost every type of music, to be the climax.

Not necessarily. There are tracks that peak early on, and then just rehash what they did for their first chorus.

yes but any good producer will add just a little extra to the second iteration. But most people especially when it comes to EDM are rather poor composers so I'm not surprised if it doesn't always occur. Otherwise, it just seems like the producer is filling time. It it is a verbatim itereation, it is a poor decision and it has no aesthetic value of than time filling. Functional I suppose but really, It is pointless from an aesthetic view point. Again , most producers cannot see the big picture and focus on how great their bass and kick sound and just fill the track till it is done. Unfortunate.

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 . really if i've learned anything in the last year it's anticipation is EVERYTHING in club music.

This is a really big thing, and some of the most popular tracks make good use of manipulating anticipation.

A Lesson On Anticipation

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad yes but any good producer will add just a little extra to the second iteration.

Sometimes it doesn't sound like enough. Maybe that's just me though.

Check out this tune

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7_M8exMgTo

one big crescendo. It just keeps building till the climax. And that is how it is done.

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Originally posted by Beatflux Sometimes it doesn't sound like enough. Maybe that's just me though.

like I said, it might not be. But that is a poor decision by the producer. Most people won't care.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad Check out this tune http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7_M8exMgTo one big crescendo. It just keeps building till the climax. And that is how it is done.

Pretty good tune. But I wouldn't call it one big crescendo...I can't think of a good example at the moment.

tech house and tech trance first came to mind thoe i think the op was gearing his question round new ways of making tracks rather then clever arragement.

i think producers like timo mass oftern think outside the box and trifonic

Not really related to form,

I don't really see people working with 3/4 time, 5/4 time, or any other variants.

I can imagine that being a nightmare for DJ's, and for the unitiated listener can be hard to appreciate.

Also, something as simple as not having the clap,snare, or hit on the third beat is something I have yet to see happen more often.

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