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Know stuff about speakers and recievers?

I'm looking into getting some JBL floorstanding speakers (SD310 or what not).. and a reciever.. not sure which

does anyone here know speakers/recievers? i need some expert advice (in realtime i hope)

Thanks you guys rock as always

wozz

P.S. My first gig ROCKED they want me back next week for an even bigger version! I need some records aghh!

Re: Know stuff about speakers and recievers?

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Originally posted by wozzeck I'm looking into getting some JBL floorstanding speakers (SD310 or what not).. and a reciever.. not sure which does anyone here know speakers/recievers? i need some expert advice (in realtime i hope) Thanks you guys rock as always wozz P.S. My first gig ROCKED they want me back next week for an even bigger version! I need some records aghh!

what you gonna use these speakers for?

by the way did you mean S 310 ?

I know the stuff pretty well .. just try to be more precise with what you want ok

by the way you mean amplifier ( receiver ? ) ?

last thing what's your budget .... tell me and I can help you pin point your search a little better

If you want to pay a lot and get amazing recievers, go with ONKYO or Boston Acoustic. Those are like the cream of the crop

Yes the 310 thanks

Here is what i was looking at.. the N38 II,JBL ND310II, and JBL S310II.

Questions: What do you think overall? This is just for my room and maybe for a few parties.. can these speakers handle that?
What's the difference between the 2nd and 3rd speaker? Which one?

Which reciever (not amp i think) do you recommend? I was looking at the Sony STRDE185.. but the guy at bestbuy wanted me to go yamaha because of less distortion.. what do you think? I think he just wanted me to spend 150 bucks more!

I had a lot more questions but these will do..

THANK YOU for your help it's really appreciated..

honestly man, most recievers are the same with little things hear and there. I have a decent Sony reciever for my home theatre and in all honesty, it does its job fine. Except for its lack of DTS, it does everything I want.

make sure that when you get your reciever, it can maximise the performance of the speaker. IE if you have speakers that have 100 Watts RMS, then make sure you get a reciever that has atleast 100 watts per channel.

I think the sony is only max 100 but the speakers can do 175watts.. is that bad?
^^ not sure about figures

Check that, it says
Recommended maximum Amp Wattage 250.. So does that mean 500 total? or just a 250W amp? I don't want to underpower these things, I just read about how underpowering can blow the tweeter/speaker.

Any ideas? Kinda want to order tommorow if possible.


Thanks,
Wozz

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Originally posted by wozzeck Check that, it says Recommended maximum Amp Wattage 250.. So does that mean 500 total? or just a 250W amp? I don't want to underpower these things, I just read about how underpowering can blow the tweeter/speaker. Any ideas? Kinda want to order tommorow if possible. Thanks, Wozz

logically it's 250 X 2 = 500 watts

underpowering won't do nothing bad to your speakers .... Overpowering will blow them out ,,, but underpowering is just like giving them less power... no big deal it still works good ... it's just not running at full power

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Originally posted by wozzeck Yes the 310 thanks Here is what i was looking at.. the N38 II,JBL ND310II, and JBL S310II. Questions: What do you think overall? This is just for my room and maybe for a few parties.. can these speakers handle that? What's the difference between the 2nd and 3rd speaker? Which one? Which reciever (not amp i think) do you recommend? I was looking at the Sony STRDE185.. but the guy at bestbuy wanted me to go yamaha because of less distortion.. what do you think? I think he just wanted me to spend 150 bucks more! I had a lot more questions but these will do.. THANK YOU for your help it's really appreciated..

First of all, if this is for your place, I think that you would have to take noise and the people around you into consideration. You will probably want something that's not too overpowering, even at a low volume. Neither do you want something that you can't maximize a whole lot - i.e. turning the floor speakers up all the way, which would be LOOOOOUD (the 310's anyway). I'm going to be honest with you. I just bought a pair of JBL S38II's, and these things fucking rock the house.....literally. I can push 350 watts (175 each) through both of these combined, and with the Hz going as low as 45, they literally will shake my place. You can go to www.ebay.com and get a pair of JBL s38II's for as low as $330, FOR THE PAIR, and they retail at $500-600. They are the studio monitor series that JBL puts out. They market them as "bookshelf speakers," but I'm telling you, these are no bookshelf speakers. They can easily pass as the main components in any home theater system. So yeah, I think these, for ANY DJ that is practising at home, these speakers are the perfect compliment. The sound is crisp as shit and they work whether you need some quiet time late at night when people are trying to sleep, or they will rock the fuckin' house...it's your choice.

Secondly, as far as an amp/receiver goes, BUY ONLINE!!!!!!!! You will not believe the deals that you can get online. Check out the thread I started about "I know nothing about amps, do you?" in this forum for further info, but just a short recap. Most on-line places have a "price guarantee." Keep searching (and don't stop until you do, you'll be glad you did later....trust me) for a site that combines what you want with a "We'll beat any price on the Net" kind of deal. Then all you have to do is find a different site that is having a huge sale, etc and then get back to that original company and simply say "beat this price." Most of the time they will do beat it by at LEAST $10, but most will go more. I know it may be a little extra work, but trust me.....in the end, you can take the $$$$$$$$$ ($150-200 for the speakers + whatever you save on the receiver) you save from buying online and buy those records you're looking for. Think about it...that's about 20 records when it's all said and done

Thirdly, DO NOT buy anything/trust anyone at Best Buy. Even with shipping included, you can get things for SOOOOOO much cheaper online. DO NOT BUY FROM BEST BUY!!!!!! Hope this helped...peace!!!

P.S. Get those speakers online as well. DO NOT BUY THEM AT A STORE. There are too many good deals on the Net (free shipping for purchases over $150, etc) to not buy them online. Remember, with JBL, EBAY is your friend

PSS. If you need help, LET ME [email protected] is my e-mail. Or PM me and I'll answer you shortly. Peace!!!!!!

Thanks for the help:

Questions, is there a difference between the ND310II and ND310??

This is my house, no one here, and I live far enough from neighbors that they can't hear it Volume is no problem.

I really don't have any trust in ebay, so i want to buy it online, the site i'm looking at is www.etronics.com, which has them listed for 184.99..The problem is, their shipping charge is 80!!!! dollars UPS ground.. I checked the actual cost, its only 40ish. Anything I can do? Is there somewhere better?

About recievers, i read JBL's site that if you underpowre the speakers and then turn them up (you want them louder since amp/reciever is underpowered), the speakers will try to reproduce unreproducable noises and go ka-boom. I don't want this, considering each speaker is 250W each, what is a suitable powering device under 200 dollars?

Thanks, i have more questions but as always I can't think of any.
If you want to meet on TA chat it might be easier

Wozz

bump for jdat to see

First of all, if the speakers aren't for anything but your room, which i'm assuming is under 15'X 15', you won't NEED anything more than 150Watts per channel. Nice car stereos are about 100-120Watts now adays, and they would rock your room to peices. Just about any decent brand name out there will do you good, as long as you get at least 10" woofers and the speakers have a decent amount of range (down to at least 50Hz). I would recommend Cerwin Vega speakers. Not only are they very nice and bassy, but they are well priced and look very good without the screens on (red and black). As far as the receiver, I have the Sony STR-DE945 and I love it. I got it for about $350 two years ago when it was retailing for about $600. I bought it online and use www.mysimon.com to search for the lowest price. While Sony no longer makes my model, they offer other 9xx models that are about $330-$360 that I saw after just searching for them now. Now, you can save a lot of money on a receiver if you don't want things like DTS, optical and S-Video inputs etc. If you are not going to hook up surround sound, dvd etc to it, then it's not worth spending the money on it, unless you plan to upgrade in the next 1-3 years. Otherwise, save your money now and spend it on something else. Also, as far as the limiting wattage on your speakers vs your receiver, the wattage on the speaker can be either the RMS (root mean square, or average) power used, or it can be the peak power. When you see a wattage for the receiver, it is watts per channel, and each speaker will take up one channel. You CAN get speakers with higher peak wattage than your reciever can handle, but this isn't a problem when you use this set up in your room because you will probably not need to turn the speakers up past the point at which you would be in danger of hurting your system. Receivers also have fuses that will blow first. Remember it's the receiver that sends the signal to your speakers, not the other way around. So if you get a receiver that can output 300watts per channel, and speakers that can only handle 100wats, then you can blow up your speakers. The best bet is to match up some speakers with a peak power rating that is very close to the watts per channel rating on your receiver.

In short, I'd suggest you get a sony STR-DE9xx receiver and cerwin vega speakers with 12" woofers. Match up the wattage ratings accordingly and go from there!

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Originally posted by wozzeck Thanks for the help: Questions, is there a difference between the ND310II and ND310?? This is my house, no one here, and I live far enough from neighbors that they can't hear it Volume is no problem. I really don't have any trust in ebay, so i want to buy it online, the site i'm looking at is www.etronics.com, which has them listed for 184.99..The problem is, their shipping charge is 80!!!! dollars UPS ground.. I checked the actual cost, its only 40ish. Anything I can do? Is there somewhere better? About recievers, i read JBL's site that if you underpowre the speakers and then turn them up (you want them louder since amp/reciever is underpowered), the speakers will try to reproduce unreproducable noises and go ka-boom. I don't want this, considering each speaker is 250W each, what is a suitable powering device under 200 dollars? Thanks, i have more questions but as always I can't think of any. If you want to meet on TA chat it might be easier Wozz

OK, first of all, if those are the speakers you're going to get, they are going to shake the damn house, so get ready for that power. Also, to find an amp that will deliver power to speakers like that (200 watts/channel) for under $200 will be next to impossible. I'm thinking you need to be willing to spend in the $200-250 range.

As far as EBAY goes, there are legitimate business set-up online at EBAY (who I got mine through) that sell stuff...not just your average Joe who you never know what you're gonna get. Besides, with EBAY and businesses that sell stuff through there, you can check the feedback on them. I'm telling you, for the speakers, that's the way to go....especially if you can do a buy it now option. DO what you want though...it's your $$

Thanks for the tips Are these speakers that powerful? When i listened to them in bestbuy, they sounded loud, but not shake the house loud!

I just don't trust ebay as I was telling jdat, I've had some bad experiences that have soured me on the entire ebay deal. I'd rather spend a little extra and know I can sue someone if need be

Can you recommend a reciever for me? I'm talking to a friend who thinks I should go for the Harman Kardon HK 3470..

Thanks
wozz

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Originally posted by wozzeck Thanks for the tips Are these speakers that powerful? When i listened to them in bestbuy, they sounded loud, but not shake the house loud![/b]

Trust me, whn you have the full 400 watts going to those puppies, you'll know what loud is. Those things go down to 38-40Hz too, which is LOWWWWWWW bass, so it'll be boomin' too. Ya gotta remember, no matter how loud in Best Buy they were, your room/house is going to sound MUCH louder b/c of the space.

I just don't trust ebay as I was telling jdat, I've had some bad experiences that have soured me on the entire ebay deal. I'd rather spend a little extra and know I can sue someone if need be

I understand completely....sometimes it's best to think that way. Better safe than sorry.

Can you recommend a reciever for me? I'm talking to a friend who thinks I should go for the Harman Kardon HK 3470..

I can't help ya on that, other than to say just get something without all the extras (surround-sound, DTS, etc) unless you DO want to hook up all your shit to it, and not just your DJ stuff. I guess in this case, all the gadgets, etc are not neccesarrily better. You want ample power (at or near 200 watts to each channel) from a reputable source (Crown, etc) at a good price. Do the searching and that's all I can tell you....good luck!!!!!!!!! Keep us updated!!!

Thanks
wozz [/QUOTE]

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Originally posted by jdat logically it's 250 X 2 = 500 watts underpowering won't do nothing bad to your speakers .... Overpowering will blow them out ,,, but underpowering is just like giving them less power... no big deal it still works good ... it's just not running at full power

underpowering your speakers will couse distortion.....we wouldn't want that now would we? the best thing is to have your amp RMS power as close to your speaker RMS power....

The person I was talking to said a full-bandwidth 100Wx2 amp like H/K 3470 would be enough to power this well..

True? I'm not buying an amp, I want to buy a reciever since it'll be cheaper

A receiver is an amp + FM/AM tuner + all the audio/video bells and whistles. If you just want to provide power to your speakers, I would just get an amp. Stand alone amps are more efficient and clean.

As for the difference between JBL ND310II and ND310 is just marketing. JBL premiered the series starting with ND310 and then 2 years later came out with II. Slight design in speaker structure but no major differences. I own a pair of the JBL S312 and JBL S38 for moniters.

The JBL speakers alone will not shake your room. I suggest adding a subwoofer to your system for that extra bass. The recommended HK 3470 will clip under heavy bass (bass takes a lot of wattage). Never look at max wattage of a receiver b/c you should never reach that number without risking damage. Most receivers are at 70% load when the volume is at 0dB.

I thought if i went amp route it would be MORE expensive.. i would have to buy pre-amp, amp, etc.. Is there an amp you recommend?

What about the Sony STRDE-185 reciever? good bad?

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Originally posted by wozzeck I thought if i went amp route it would be MORE expensive.. i would have to buy pre-amp, amp, etc.. Is there an amp you recommend? What about the Sony STRDE-185 reciever? good bad?

you don't have to get pre-amp b/c, as far as I know, most (like 95%) mixers are pre-amped. I'm telling you, if you don't want to hook anything else up to your receiver, then just get an amp. If you do the shopping around on the Net, then you can get a better deal than a receiver.

I just don't know how to look, and all the amp's I've looked at in the 500W range are really expensive.. I'm going to try the Sony Reciever

How much are you looking to spend on this amp?

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Originally posted by DJ Teknique underpowering your speakers will couse distortion.....we wouldn't want that now would we? the best thing is to have your amp RMS power as close to your speaker RMS power....

well actually overpowering would cause a lot more distortion and could damage the speakers permanently... underpowering will not really destort unless turned all the way...

it's too bad home audio isn't as easy to bridge as car audio

*shrugs*

If you're worried about sound quality DON'T buy online. Different speakers are good at different things - some perform well on highs, some on lows, etc etc, and different speakers from the same maker and of the same model may also sound different. So you need to go to a showroom and take a mix cd or two and spend a good couple hours listening to different systems. Remember, if you're going to plonk down a ton of money, it'd better be worth it.

If you're just going for loudness, however, online is fine because all you need is the number of watts it can handle.

dude, I'm telling you, you dont NEED 250 watts of testicle crushing wattage because honestly, you will never EVER have them going that loud anyways, I have a kickass pair of Paradigm speakers that can rock the shit out of most speakers out there yet they are only around 100 watts and i have never EVER gone past halfway on my reciever's volume dial.

Oh and to however said that 38-40 hz is low bass.....you must be joking ???????
that is like mid range dude, My sub is capable of playing 25 hz signals and my buddy's home built sub can play as low as 23 hz.....that is guarenteed to shake the house.

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