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New bill to allow the hacking of P2P programs.
First, shutting down online music radio, now this. . . . .
This is ridiculous. I can understand riggin CDs so that you wouldn't be able to burn mp3s, but hacking into file sharing programs? Thats just plain dirty. I honestly believe that the RIAA are a bunch of old farts who refuse to accept the fact that CD's are becoming more and more obsolete due to faster internet connections. Hindering file sharing will result in less CD sales because it will do nothing but force consumers to buy CDs blind without hearing the songs beforehand.
Re: New bill to allow the hacking of P2P programs.
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| Originally posted by Busy Child Hindering file sharing will result in less CD sales because it will do nothing but force consumers to buy CDs blind without hearing the songs beforehand. |
Re: Re: New bill to allow the hacking of P2P programs.
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| Originally posted by tosk_hysj Good point... |
The word on the street is computers are to become obsolete because they are the cause of all this injustice!!! 
Cheers,
Zigg's
www.djcluster.com
They should just die 
its a battle they cant win 
-napster +ag and a ton of others -ag + lots more stuff, and they draw attention to it too.
someone should go bomb they're HQ
what's your source? link?
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| Originally posted by Shudder someone should go bomb they're HQ |
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| Originally posted by ampburner what's your source? link? |
There is so much demanding for pirating that it's unstoppible. Unless the RIAA becomes some nazi dictorship absolutist or is able to change the Consitution, of course neither will happen, they are doing nothing more but making an angrier mob out of us by making mp3s access inconvient. Afterall we, as consumers, got the final power through our dollar. The RIAA will just have to do with or without
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| Originally posted by syn_junkie Unless the RIAA becomes some nazi dictorship absolutist |
lol
those americans............
they don't know where to stop this maddness.......
someone's gotta go to that old fart running RIAA and give him a good slap on the face
http://msnbc-cnet.com.com/2100-1023...tml?tag=fd_lede
Could Hollywood hack your PC?
By Declan McCullagh
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
July 23, 2002, 4:45 PM PT
update WASHINGTON--Congress is about to consider an entertainment industry proposal that would authorize copyright holders to disable PCs used for illicit file trading.
A draft bill seen by CNET News.com marks the boldest political effort to date by record labels and movie studios to disrupt peer-to-peer networks that they view as an increasingly dire threat to their bottom line.
Sponsored by Reps. Howard Berman, D-Calif., and Howard Coble, R-N.C., the measure would permit copyright holders to perform nearly unchecked electronic hacking if they have a "reasonable basis" to believe that piracy is taking place. Berman and Coble plan to introduce the 10-page bill this week.
The legislation would immunize groups such as the Motion Picture Association of America and the Recording Industry Association of America from all state and federal laws if they disable, block or otherwise impair a "publicly accessible peer-to-peer network."
Anyone whose computer was damaged in the process must receive the permission of the U.S. attorney general before filing a lawsuit, and a suit could be filed only if the actual monetary loss was more than $250.
According to the draft, the attorney general must be given complete details about the "specific technologies the copyright holder intends to use to impair" the normal operation of the peer-to-peer network. Those details would remain secret and would not be divulged to the public.
The draft bill doesn't specify what techniques, such as viruses, worms, denial-of-service attacks, or domain name hijacking, would be permissible. It does say that a copyright-hacker should not delete files, but it limits the right of anyone subject to an intrusion to sue if files are accidentally erased.
Because Congress only has about five work weeks left before it is scheduled to adjourn for the year, the outlook for the draft bill is uncertain.
But because its sponsors include top Republican and Democratic committee chairmen, it could receive a warm welcome in the House of Representatives at a hearing tentatively scheduled for this fall. Coble is the chairman of the House subcommittee on intellectual property, and Berman is the top Democrat on the panel.
Berman wrote in an opinion article this month that "currently, copyright owners are unable to use some useful technological tools to deal with P2P piracy because they face potential, if unintended, liability under a variety of state and federal laws."
"It's a good bill," Gene Smith, a spokeswoman for Berman, said on Monday. "It's always hard to defend theft and piracy--this bill just puts into the hands of the copyright owners technologies that are already being used by the pirates."
Smith said the purpose of the draft bill was to "fight fire with fire, fight technology with technology."
Jessica Litman, a professor at Wayne State University who specializes in copyright law, said the draft bill improperly encourages "vigilante justice."
"I think it's wildly overreaching," Litman said. "Copyright owners are in essence asking Congress to say that peer-to-peer file trading is such a scorch, is so bad, that stopping it is more important than enforcing any other laws that federal or state governments may have passed on computer security, privacy, fraud and so forth."
Litman said that even if a copyright holder accidentally deleted a home video titled "Snow White," the owner of that PC could be out of luck. "Unless I can show economic harm, I can't even be compensated," Litman said. "Even if I want to be compensated, I have to jump through procedural hoops."
The film and music industries already are developing tools to use against rogue file swapping, though they've remained mum on the details. The RIAA says its members have the right to use any "lawful and appropriate self-help measure."
Fritz Attaway, the MPAA's senior vice president for government relations, endorsed Berman's approach on Monday, stressing that law-abiding Internet users should not be concerned.
"No one in the motion picture industry has any interest in invading your computer or doing anything malicious with your files," Attaway said. "The idea is to make unauthorized file sharing sufficiently inconvenient or at least unsuccessful."
The MPAA and RIAA did not respond to requests for comment on Tuesday.
The Electronic Frontier Foundation condemned the draft bill as a sop to Hollywood and the recording industry.
Digital lockdown?
"This is part of a greater strategy that's being implemented by the entertainment industry to lock up and control digital information in general," said Robin Gross, an EFF staff attorney. "The rights that we've enjoyed in the analog space are now being taken away from us because we're entering a digital realm"
Gross said she was concerned by the broad grant of immunity to copyright holders who become computer intruders. "When they screw up, they don't want you to be able to get some sort of retribution from them," she said.
Other sponsors listed on the draft bill include key legislators such as Reps. John Conyers of Michigan, the top Democrat on the full Judiciary committee, Lamar Smith, R-Texas, the chairman of a crime subcommittee, and Robert Wexler, D-Fla. Currently there is no companion legislation in the Senate.
The next step for the draft bill is the House Judiciary subcommittee on intellectual property. A representative for Coble said earlier this month to expect a hearing starting in September, when Congress returns from its August recess.
Berman announced plans for the legislation during a speech to a Washington trade association last month. He represents California's San Fernando Valley, adjacent to Los Angeles and Hollywood's cluster of entertainment companies.
Coble and Berman have jointly written a second draft bill that could sharply limit Americans' rights relating to copying music, taping TV shows, or transferring files through the Internet. But they have said they do not necessarily endorse the plan's details.
thanks for the info sothis
Re: New bill to allow the hacking of P2P programs.
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| Originally posted by Busy Child Hindering file sharing will result in less CD sales because it will do nothing but force consumers to buy CDs blind without hearing the songs beforehand. |
ok, this information about half a year old, and i don't know how legitimate it is, but i read somewhere on cnet that Gnutella came with some sort of a hidden program from some california company which made it possible for them to take control over millions pcs at the same time... basically, like a trojan...
Maybe it isn't so bad... think about it... they'll probaly go after the major sharing networks, kazaa, winmx like they did with napster. This is because that's where all the pop stuff is being shared (they ARE after 'pop'music sharing, because that's costing them money).
Maybe this would stop everyone and their momma from dling the latest britney songs, but the RIAA doesn't give shit about electronica at all.
besides, who needs public p2p networks anyway? da hUb'z where it's at baby!
OK, what's the deal with mp3's??? why isn't anyone trying to crack down on Movie and Warez sharing like RIAA is pursuing mp3s???
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| Originally posted by ampburner what's your source? link? |
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| Originally posted by Busy Child I forgot to paste the link, but it was posted several days ago on www.cnn.com so you know its just an article about it and does not have the actual bill. I dont doubt the fact that RIAA have already begun hacking P2P programs a long time ago, but the news about them trying to get Congress to legalize it is brand new to me. Anyway, you can never stop the sharing of music, especially with ripped vinyls because I dont even think it's possible to rig vinyls like CDs. . . ..or is it? |
I rhink we should all prepare for viral warfare. Audiogalaxy was getting hacked for a long time by thugs hired by the riaa.
They just don't get it do they ... the economic model that's underpinned the music biz for the past century is gone. Finito. It is no more.
The concept of ordinary people actually going out of their houses and buying a physical piece of plastic with the music encoded on it, be it vinyl, cassette, CD, whatever ... it will be something we all tell our grandchildren about, like horse-drawn carts or silent movies, and their eyes will go wide with disbelief ...
The real criminals here aren't the file sharers but the record companies, who have spent the best part of the last century coming up with dozens of different, rigidly inflexible, inferior music recording and distribution formats, and then holding a gun to our heads by refusing to sell us anything but over packaged, over priced music recordings at extortionately marked up prices. And we have had no choice but to comply ... until now.
As for the point of view of the artists when the whole world is hooked up to MP3, they really have nothing to worry about I reckon. In fact, once all the bullshit corporations are gone, the money making potential of the musicians and producers themselves is going to be a lot greater than it is right now. The smart ones that work the new environment properly, and work directly alongside their own fans, are going to be a million times better off than they ever were in the days of being tied into fixed-price recording contracts with label. The only reason that recording contracts were invented in the first place, is that recording studios used to be so goddam expensive that only big corporations could afford to have them. Those days are long gone already and with them is also gone the main reason for record companies' continued existence.
It's already proving to be the case that fan bases of individual artists grow exponentially, when everyone's freely able to listen to the music. Of course the potential discretionary spend of those fans will be that much greater than ever before, because they're no longer having to spend a fortune on buying bloody records all the time! If a few advertisers slip a few cents to the artists to promote their company in their ID3 tags well good on them, that's a price I don't mind paying. Live performance, video rights, DJing, broadcasting rights, merchandising (the real biggie) ... all potentially huge money making areas that can and should be controlled by the artists themselves, on their own terms, and limited only by their own creativity in terms of dollar rewards.
(At the moment, less than 10% of the value of a record goes to the artists ... that makes more than 90% that goes into production, packaging, record store overheads (plus their little bit of profit), distributor overheads (plus their little bit of profit), record label overheads (plus their big fat heinous profit, which all goes of course into the bank accounts of record label exec's and big corporate shareholders). Get rid of all that lot and you put a lot of money back into people's pockets ... money that can be spent where it rightfully should, straight into the artists pockets.
The RIAA are going down fighting right now, but they're going down as surely as the dinosaurs did. What advert was it where it said 'You can't stop the power of a good idea?' They should face the facts, stop even trying to dam the MP3 flood with their fingers, and try and put their minds to work out how they can be of some relevance in the future that's coming ... whether they like it or not
What an absolutely excellent post kia.
i completely agree with you, the old way is dead and gone, it will never be resurrected. the RIAA put one foot in the grave the day they they launched the lawsuit against napster, and they put the nail in the coffin by shutting down audiogalaxy.
now, the people are pissed, the artists are pissed, and the RIAA will be going down soon.
their site was hacked this weekend, a simple DOS attack, but still, it shows the sentiment towards them.
http://news.com.com/2100-1023-947072.html
take a look at who is getting your money:
The RIAA Board of Directors represents leadership from a cross section of record labels. The board members are:
Roger Ames, Warner Music Group
Michele Anthony, Sony Music Entertainment Inc.
Val Azzoli, The Atlantic Group
Jay Boberg, MCA Records
Bob Cavallo, Buena Vista Music Group
Ray Cooper, Virgin Records America Inc.
Ronnie Dashev, Maverick Recording Company
Tracey Edmonds, Edmonds Record Group
David Glew, Epic Records Group
Dick Griffey, Solar Records/J.Hines Co.
Zach Horowitz, Universal Music Group
Don Ienner, Columbia Records Group
Robert Jamieson, RCA Records Label U.S.
David Johnson, Warner Music Group
Lawrence Kenswil, Universal Music Group
Mel Lewinter, Universal Music Group
Alain Levy, EMI, Recorded Music N.A.
Roy Lott, EMI, Recorded Music N.A.
Antonio Reid, Arista Records Inc.
Sylvia Rhone, Elektra Entertainment Group
Guillermo Santiso, Fonovisa Inc.
Rolf Schmidt-Holtz, BMG Entertainment
Tom Silverman, Tommy Boy Music
Andy Slater, Capitol Records
Thomas Stein, BMG Entertainment
Tom Tyrrell, Sony Music Entertainment, Inc.
and of course, the queen bee, the worst of them all:
Hilary Rosen, Recording Industry Association of America
I hope that she dies a slow and painful death listening to metallica
"Don't they have something better to do during the summer than hack our site?" asked the RIAA representative, who asked not to be identified. "Perhaps it at least took 10 minutes away from stealing music."
Dont THEY have anything better to do than hacking into P2P programs??
for those that are interested... you can read teh bill here:
http://www.politechbot.com/docs/ber...inal.072502.pdf
(adobe acrobat reader needed)
Nobody ever broke into my pc exept my little brother searching for porn
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