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What's so NEGATIVE about mixing with CDs over vinyl?

Here's something that I never understood: Why do some people look down on people who use nothing but CDs for their DJ activities? Shouldn't it be the DJ's choice? After all, doesn't he/she have a right of what tool to use? Of so, why do people look at it like it's "worser" than vinyl mixing (or vice-versa)? I understand that some people PREFER mixing with vinyl over CDs because of preferential reasons but, at the same time, some put the non-vinyl users down.

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Originally posted by ali92 Here's something that I never understood: Why do some people look down on people who use nothing but CDs for their DJ activities? Shouldn't it be the DJ's choice? After all, doesn't he/she have a right of what tool to use? Of so, why do people look at it like it's "worser" than vinyl mixing (or vice-versa)? I understand that some people PREFER mixing with vinyl over CDs because of preferential reasons but, at the same time, some put the non-vinyl users down.

"worse," not "worser."

The way I look at it, it's simply arrogance.
Who cares where the music comes from?
It's not the technicalities that make a person a great DJ -- like whether you use vinyl or CD's. It's how you feel the music and the crowd, and how you're able to create an atmosphere.

I think that even someone who mixes MP3's but has had a public performance in a club, is to be respected *much* more, than a bedroom vinyl DJ who disses CD's and MP3's and says "only vinyl DJ's are true DJ's" and yet hasn't had any public performances.

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Originally posted by Eugene "worse," not "worser." The way I look at it, it's simply arrogance. Who cares where the music comes from? It's not the technicalities that make a person a great DJ -- like whether you use vinyl or CD's. It's how you feel the music and the crowd, and how you're able to create an atmosphere. I think that even someone who mixes MP3's but has had a public performance in a club, is to be respected *much* more, than a bedroom vinyl DJ who disses CD's and MP3's and says "only vinyl DJ's are true DJ's" and yet hasn't had any public performances.

You are 100% right. You don't get famous by WHAT you use. You get famous by using WHATEVER it is that you use to make the audience happy and pleased to see/hear you perform. Music production works both ways too. It's NOT the tools that you use but, it depends on if you magood music or not. If people like it, congratulations. That's all that counts.

I agree aswell, it's just a tool, at least it should be...

I agree on this..

It's only a tool.. Doesn't really matter to me where the sound comes from.. As long as it's good..

For myself.. I've been planning to purchase a DJ set of my own for quite some time now.. prolly it's gonna be a CDJ set, just because of the quid it'll save me... I'll maybe buy TT's later on..

I agree on the fact it does look a bit 'cooler' when a DJ spins real vinyl.. But even if he doesn't.. if it sounds good, I won't complain

i would never play an mp3.. they sound llike shit when played loud, reguardless of the bitrate..

and teh reason why vinyl is more popular is because of sound quality.. the new pioneer cdj-1000 err whatever allegedy can reproduce teh warm sound of vinyl, but why pay that much for a stinking cd player??

all im saying is that i spin cds now cuz im a beginer and i dont want to waste my money on vinyl but trust me when i master beatmatching and everyting on cds i will shurly buy tables and vinyl

i always thought that vinly quality was better than cd quality no matter what effects that get added to the cd sound,so surley vinyl is the better of the 2

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Originally posted by djriot01 This is deffinetely not true vinyl has a more richer sound but using an mp3 at a club wont sound like shit so your saying if armin van buuren played a tune on cdr like most djs do you would say it was shit and walk off?

lol.. i can see armin on napster right now..
those CDRS armin has wouldn't be mp3s.. teh producers would export thier tunes to wav.. not compress them to mp3

I dont really care what there using as long as there doing it well. Some people always say shit like "whouldnt you get pissed if you saw so and so do his whole set on cd?" or say it takes less skill. But all that matters is the music

Paul van Dyk last night was spinning a number of tunes of off CD-R and there was no noticable sound difference. I think that however you can own the crowd, own them. It's not with what, but how.

i dont DJ at all, but i would disrespect a DJ with an MP3 CD with stuff off the internet...i mean he/.she can just DL a track while others actually pay, support the artist and actualyl havta look for the track

but i generally agree with everyone here...if it makes the crowd happy, then its cool unless its AM radio of course

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Originally posted by randummboy lol.. i can see armin on napster right now.. those CDRS armin has wouldn't be mp3s.. teh producers would export thier tunes to wav.. not compress them to mp3

like you would notice the difference between 44.1 khz 16bit wav and a 192 kbps MP3 ....... ON A CLUB SOUND SYSTEM!

There is just something different about having that absolute bomb of a track on vinyl.

Money is never wasted when it is spent on vinyl.

If the Dj is good at what they do, it doesn't matter.

I'm not a DJ, but fvck i love vinyl.

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Originally posted by Wasted_Space Money is never wasted when it is spent on vinyl.

Not until they get damaged, no

i dj solely off cd, puely for economic reasons, plus the fact that its absolutely impossible to get decent vinyls in ireland, any trance is almost always shit cheese from germany. eventually, if a get a few gigs under my belt and its all goin well, ill get myself some turntables, but ill never stop playing off cd, as john "00" fleming said, "i dj 80% of my sets off cd", so if its good enough for him, its good enough for me!

im not a dj but ive heard from dg discussions on the radio on this topic exactly that some mixing effects are impossible to make with cds. is this true?

C'mon people...you all know that sound quailty differs from one to another.

You know that mp3's have CUT frequencies that we can't hear...so if you're good at hearing...it will sound like a shit.

But one thing about vinly is that it really sounds cool. You know why....? Cos while recording the vinly the machine that records makes holes in the vinly...and a deeper hole means lower frequency....means more groovy!!!

That's why vinly sounds much better in clubs...becasue everywhere is full of low frequency waves even tho you don't hear them. IT makes a strong effect....

Greetz
Dj Ahter

Vyinl:
Pros: Better sound quality, more dynamic mixing, entertains the crowd visually

cons: fragile and easily damaged, expensive, rare

CD:
Pros: faster cueing, replaceable, cheap, arrangeable to the users likes or dislikes

cons: less dynamic mixing, lower sound quality( perceptible only if you have extra human hearing)

My vote : CDS

I used to mix vynil but now mix cds. this change was due to the low availabilty of quality vynil in Mexico. People her more often spin cds. we buy vynil but keep it as a collection item aqnd ripit to cd to play at psrties. trust me that kickas track on vynil doesn�t sound as good after you�ve palyed it a couple hundred times. CD quality does not go down with use only with abuse.

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Originally posted by GRinLoCK Vyinl: Pros: Better sound quality, more dynamic mixing, entertains the crowd visually cons: fragile and easily damaged, expensive, rare CD: Pros: faster cueing, replaceable, cheap, arrangeable to the users likes or dislikes cons: less dynamic mixing, lower sound quality( perceptible only if you have extra human hearing) My vote : CDS I used to mix vynil but now mix cds. this change was due to the low availabilty of quality vynil in Mexico. People her more often spin cds. we buy vynil but keep it as a collection item aqnd ripit to cd to play at psrties. trust me that kickas track on vynil doesn�t sound as good after you�ve palyed it a couple hundred times. CD quality does not go down with use only with abuse.

That's what I would do even if I was a top-notch DJ! I would have a collection of vinyl at home and for every new record I would get, I would just rip it to TOP-OF-THE-LINE GOLD CD-R and play that at the sets. After all, why don't many DJs do this? Keep their rare stuff at home, safe from getting damaged and just use the CD-Rs? Or (if no one can notice the sound difference), rip from that CD-R you just made to a 320 kbps, encoded by LAME 3.92 or better, MP3! Burn all those MP3s to CD-R and just mix with 2 of those! You have over 11 hours (almost 6 hours/disc) of high (CD to the average human ear) quality music! Are MP3-CD turntables out yet? Either one or the other method's not bad at all.

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Originally posted by ampburner like you would notice the difference between 44.1 khz 16bit wav and a 192 kbps MP3 ....... ON A CLUB SOUND SYSTEM!

oh hell yes you would... even a rookie could tell the difference

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Originally posted by ali92 Are MP3-CD turntables out yet? Either one or the other method's not bad at all.

I use Numark CDJS but the pioneers that run at about 1500 us dollars are even more kick ass. check those out if you want to use cd mixing equipment.

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Originally posted by GRinLoCK I use Numark CDJS but the pioneers that run at about 1500 us dollars are even more kick ass. check those out if you want to use cd mixing equipment.

One question: Do these mix MP3s that are on CD? I never mixed at all so (and don't have NEARLY enough money to get started with the kind of equipment that I like (high-end!)), I'm not even LOOKING for the equipment right now.

Yes, they play MP3s off of CDs, or off a card.

here is a picture of these bad boys:



I would like some, but.. they are really expensive.

has anyone tried these out?

I think i would rather just get regular CD players, and burn audio CDs of what i wanted to spin.

The cd mixers in the picture are pretty kewl. I opted for a cheaper cdn mixer from Numark- They run about 500 U.S. Dollars.

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