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Seventeen - Electro House WIP [FULL LENGTH: Dec 18th]

Update FULL LENGTH TRACK Dec 18th

The track is full length now and there's a new bridge and break in the track that I'm super proud of, it's still a WIP and not necessarily finished but the track is turning out really well. You will most likely be surprised by the change that happens after the second hook.

Seventeen Full Length by Seandroid

Update be done here, original text below.


This is my new electro house track I'm working on, I'm really trying to improve my sound synthesis, I've been doing a lot of research and just watching videos of how other people work and this is what's came out of it so far.

Truth be told, one of the biggest reasons my tracks were so cold before was because... well I didn't have any proper mixing headphones. I used to have a borrowed pair of Audio Technica AT-M50s but I was never able to actually getting to producing with them, but I've purchased a pair now and everything I'd done sounded like crap on them. All my synths were super tinny because my headphones were lacking like crazy in the high end and emphasizing the bass, they're great headphones but they were definitely part of the problem, because it was immediately apparent as soon as I listened to them, but I'm by no means blaming everything on my phones.

Hope you enjoy.

you use the "deadmau5" tag on your track, and it kinda sound a deadmau5 track, specially the first lead pattern...

the work is good, but i would add more effects, its sounding dry at the moment.

good luck.

the first minute is pointless. Just a kick and snare.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad the first minute is pointless. Just a kick and snare.

Yeah, I see what you mean. I was thinking about starting it later anyway.

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Originally posted by PlasticSoul you use the "deadmau5" tag on your track, and it kinda sound a deadmau5 track, specially the first lead pattern... the work is good, but i would add more effects, its sounding dry at the moment. good luck.

I don't really put the deadmau5 tag on my tracks because I think they sound like him, I just do it because he's popular and people search for him, though I'll take it as a compliment that you think it sounds like something he'd do

And yup, it's definitely a bit too dry, I agree, I just wanted to hear what everyone thought about what I had.

Your kick sample just doesn't fit with the track dude, and your clap is a little too behind on he beat

Really like the part after 2:05 wow!

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Originally posted by sako487 Your kick sample just doesn't fit with the track dude, and your clap is a little too behind on he beat Really like the part after 2:05 wow!

I actually really like the kick sample! Where do you think it doesn't sit right? I think it sounds great in both the proggy-breakdown section and the electro hook, I tried to find a kick that had balance and would work with both parts. Thanks though! I'm glad you like the hook =D Thanks man!

Not bad man, not my first choice of style for house music but you've produced this pretty well and for what it is, it was executed nicely.

I don't agree with Mad for Brad about the first minute being pointless however.. every tune in these types of genres starts off with a simple beat for DJ-friendliness. Maybe for the purpose of a sample to showcase the track it was pointless, but it's definitely a must if you're rendering it as a full project. Intro and outro for sure.

Keep at it bro! All the best!

I like this mate, nice melody and as sako mentioned once it kicks in, that part took me by surprise but its really well made, i just felt in that part, as good as it sounds, its still lacking something, a little oomph just to really get it going.. Maybe layering that lead slightly, and a tad bit more percussion, panned across the speaker to "widen" the sound... This aint a critisism just a thought mate

Well done though i enjoyed it !

The third chord in the progression starting at 1:09 sounds just a little hinky. I'm not sure if it's delay wash from the previous chord which colors it but it sounds like one note is playing in a key which is just barely sympathetic to the rest. To be honest, I don't even know if I would try and fix it. I could see you using that voicing for other purposes as you progress this song.

Other than that, however, I like what you're doing and love the lead and bass-work. Keep at it, man.

i've not much positive to say personally. however that bass patch you've made was very nice, good work!

im a big fan of synthesis, and sound-design myself. i sometimes practice re-creating sounds from scratch etc. i had a go at trying to re-create your bass, but didnt do so well.

here it is: [[ LINK REMOVED ]]


pulse and few saws > some oscillation tweaking > slight hardclip shaping > tubeamp > unision maybe i could have used a chorus but i didnt. ive had better success in the past.

I can hear Sako point - go to 1:18 and you will hear that is too dry (your kick) but 2:11 did a trick for me my friend - like it.

This is on my first run only and I can see a lot of potential in this production - keep working on it, it is really cool so far


Cheers

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Originally posted by heliontide Not bad man, not my first choice of style for house music but you've produced this pretty well and for what it is, it was executed nicely. I don't agree with Mad for Brad about the first minute being pointless however.. every tune in these types of genres starts off with a simple beat for DJ-friendliness. Maybe for the purpose of a sample to showcase the track it was pointless, but it's definitely a must if you're rendering it as a full project. Intro and outro for sure. Keep at it bro! All the best!

Hey, thanks man! Yeah, I wasn't going to get rid of the introduction, I was just thinking about shortening it, but I've decided to leave it be, I really do like it how it is now.

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Originally posted by craigb1 I like this mate, nice melody and as sako mentioned once it kicks in, that part took me by surprise but its really well made, i just felt in that part, as good as it sounds, its still lacking something, a little oomph just to really get it going.. Maybe layering that lead slightly, and a tad bit more percussion, panned across the speaker to "widen" the sound... This aint a critisism just a thought mate Well done though i enjoyed it !

Hey! Thanks man! Yeah, I did some layering, I duplicated the lead synthesizer a couple times and added some reverb, and panned them, with different verb lengths, chorus and delay to the hard left and right, it made it sound much fuller.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker The third chord in the progression starting at 1:09 sounds just a little hinky. I'm not sure if it's delay wash from the previous chord which colors it but it sounds like one note is playing in a key which is just barely sympathetic to the rest. To be honest, I don't even know if I would try and fix it. I could see you using that voicing for other purposes as you progress this song. Other than that, however, I like what you're doing and love the lead and bass-work. Keep at it, man.

You were right! I accidentally fudged up that chord, I fixed it though, it sounds much better now, haha. And thanks man!

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Originally posted by MSZ i've not much positive to say personally. however that bass patch you've made was very nice, good work! im a big fan of synthesis, and sound-design myself. i sometimes practice re-creating sounds from scratch etc. i had a go at trying to re-create your bass, but didnt do so well. here it is: [[ LINK REMOVED ]] pulse and few saws > some oscillation tweaking > slight hardclip shaping > tubeamp > unision maybe i could have used a chorus but i didnt. ive had better success in the past.

Sad to see you weren't a big fan of it, but I'm happy you like the bass patch! By the way- one of your recent tracks inspired me to try something more ambient for the breakdown, and I think it turned out well, you might like it a little more now.

As for your bass patch, you're close man! There's no unison and chorus, if you want I can actually send you a loop of the bass patch soloed and you can have another go

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 I can hear Sako point - go to 1:18 and you will hear that is too dry (your kick) but 2:11 did a trick for me my friend - like it. This is on my first run only and I can see a lot of potential in this production - keep working on it, it is really cool so far Cheers

I've worked on the kick a bit, I didn't change the sample but previously I had actually shortened the tail in the sampler, I removed that and you might find it suits the track better now.

Really though, to hear that from you is a huge compliment, your work blows my mind, I really appreciate it dude.

Anyway, for what I'm most excited to show you, the update I've been working on since I last posted, I think it's turning out really well, there are a few things I already know I want to change a bit but I'm too lazy to bounce the things I've already change, hahahaha. I hope you guys enjoy what I've done with the breakdown and the hook!

Seventeen Update by Seandroid

Seandroid - this is first step in the right direction my friend, kick seats better in this track already (is still not perfect one yet but big improvement already) - intro could be bit shorter with at last one-two good/unique/warm sounds (don't get me wrong - you want to have that instant "wooooow" factor and have this "really cool" listener experience) - progression is really nice and set listener very well for this (this drop should be much stronger/bigger) 2:06 part - main part could/should have layer of low freq bass line added to support your kick directly (this is the punch you are looking for, so drive all the people from there chairs to a dancing floor) - so this final part must have some sweet melodic lead going on to nicely close this track.

My $0.02 - only my vision for this track my friend - good luck with it.

Cheers,

G.R.I.D.

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Seandroid - this is first step in the right direction my friend, kick seats better in this track already (is still not perfect one yet but big improvement already) - intro could be bit shorter with at last one-two good/unique/warm sounds (don't get me wrong - you want to have that instant "wooooow" factor and have this "really cool" listener experience) - progression is really nice and set listener very well for this (this drop should be much stronger/bigger) 2:06 part - main part could/should have layer of low freq bass line added to support your kick directly (this is the punch you are looking for, so drive all the people from there chairs to a dancing floor) - so this final part must have some sweet melodic lead going on to nicely close this track. My $0.02 - only my vision for this track my friend - good luck with it. Cheers, G.R.I.D.

Hey! Wow! Thanks for the in depth criticism dude, I really appreciate it.

In terms of the drop sounding bigger, I'm struggling to make it sound huge without losing that electro vibe, I find electro tracks usually have a sort of dryness to them, there's little effect spillover, and I really want to have that soloed clap after the drop, because, as I've seen whenever I show it to my friends, it makes almost everyone clap, hahaha. I was thinking of doing a pitch bent square synth with tremolo or something that soars down in a huge room reverb but I don't know. I'm really working on making that drop hit harder though.

Also, for the kick drum, do you mean like add an actual sub bassline underneath the kick every time it plays? I could also try using a bass amp too, I've found that works surprisingly well actually, provided that's what you mean in the first place.

And BTW, yeah, the second hook will have a lot more variation when I'm finished with it, I was actually thinking about using a strings sample with a short release and attack to play a melody I have in my head, if my brain isn't messing with me it should sound pretty good Right now I just kind of placed it there so that the second breakdown was leading to something.

I really appreciate this though man.

I would try and keep EDM mixes as dry as possible. Not saying don't use reverb but when your track is played on a big system, a nice crisp dry mix will sound so much clearer. Not saying never use it but some people go overboard. Some people add it to everything in various amounts because they think , that is what you do. Just like some people highpass everything but the kick and bass. These are decisions that tend to have no reasoning except bad habits.

There are many ways to create space in a track and you don't have to use reverb all the time.

Also, stop keeping us informed of every update. It is rather annoying. I mean not that annoying as i don't' really have to click but I start to wonder what your deal is and then that makes my mood a little fowl.

Finish a track, then ask for feedback. None of this 20% finished bs. You probably don't realize it but it is just a search for praise and I know you won't agree but I've done the same. You did something you are proud and you want some props. I won't ever give good feedback unless you've taken the time to do something worthwhile. I actually feel like people posting really raw shit an affront to the value of my time and it is rather insulting. If you want feedback, either be more specific if it is a raw track and not just like how is my kick.

Put some effort and people will respond more.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad I would try and keep EDM mixes as dry as possible. Not saying don't use reverb but when your track is played on a big system, a nice crisp dry mix will sound so much clearer. Not saying never use it but some people go overboard. Some people add it to everything in various amounts because they think , that is what you do. Just like some people highpass everything but the kick and bass. These are decisions that tend to have no reasoning except bad habits. There are many ways to create space in a track and you don't have to use reverb all the time. Also, stop keeping us informed of every update. It is rather annoying. I mean not that annoying as i don't' really have to click but I start to wonder what your deal is and then that makes my mood a little fowl. Finish a track, then ask for feedback. None of this 20% finished bs. You probably don't realize it but it is just a search for praise and I know you won't agree but I've done the same. You did something you are proud and you want some props. I won't ever give good feedback unless you've taken the time to do something worthwhile. I actually feel like people posting really raw shit an affront to the value of my time and it is rather insulting. If you want feedback, either be more specific if it is a raw track and not just like how is my kick. Put some effort and people will respond more.

It's really not a search for praise, I'm sure you recall my last thread on here, the reason I'm doing it in this manner is because there are a lot of talented producers here and when I'm in the wrong direction people will actually be honest and let me know, I would normally just trust my instincts but as I've found before, and you know full well what I mean, sometimes that doesn't work out.

I have discovered that my headphones were actually a surprisingly HUGE part of the problem in terms of how my synthesizers were sounding because they were not proper mixing headphones and were boosting frequencies and pulling others out, blah blah blah, but I'm just trying to make sure everything works out right, and people can give me better advice on specific things when they hear them in progress because it makes problem issues stick out more.

Obviously I am trusting my instincts to a certain point, but I live in a small town and I really don't have a way to get a second opinion from anyone who knows anything in this town, this is my only outlet really, because every other EDM forum is either awful or dead.

I understand what you mean, but this is a learning experience for me, and I hope you noticed I'm not just posting bits of the track and ignoring the advice people give me, I modified the levels in the mix to boost the clap because Sako was right, it was too far behind in the mix, and I also tried to make the kick a bit less dry and have it fit in the mix better.

I don't know, I appreciate the input though man.

the best teacher is to just listen to properly mixed music and A/B
You will get various advice here that may not be what you want or tainted with personal taste.

I can understand if you have a very specific question like lets say at the drop, your kick disappears and you are wondering what most do in this case. Edmonton isn't that small. I hear the meth is top notch. My sister is at the UA. I sadly had to live in Calgary for a few years.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad the best teacher is to just listen to properly mixed music and A/B You will get various advice here that may not be what you want or tainted with personal taste. I can understand if you have a very specific question like lets say at the drop, your kick disappears and you are wondering what most do in this case. Edmonton isn't that small. I hear the meth is top notch. My sister is at the UA. I sadly had to live in Calgary for a few years.

Bhahahahhaha. Wow. I don't actually live in Edmonton. I live in Wetaskiwin, I just knew that nobody would know where that is or what the fuck a Wetaskiwin is so I just placed the largest city closest to me for my location.

Calgary is a great city too, clearly you didn't have a great experience there, bahaha.

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Originally posted by Seandroid Hey! Wow! Thanks for the in depth criticism dude, I really appreciate it. In terms of the drop sounding bigger, I'm struggling to make it sound huge without losing that electro vibe, I find electro tracks usually have a sort of dryness to them, there's little effect spillover, and I really want to have that soloed clap after the drop, because, as I've seen whenever I show it to my friends, it makes almost everyone clap, hahaha. I was thinking of doing a pitch bent square synth with tremolo or something that soars down in a huge room reverb but I don't know. I'm really working on making that drop hit harder though. Also, for the kick drum, do you mean like add an actual sub bassline underneath the kick every time it plays? I could also try using a bass amp too, I've found that works surprisingly well actually, provided that's what you mean in the first place. And BTW, yeah, the second hook will have a lot more variation when I'm finished with it, I was actually thinking about using a strings sample with a short release and attack to play a melody I have in my head, if my brain isn't messing with me it should sound pretty good Right now I just kind of placed it there so that the second breakdown was leading to something. I really appreciate this though man.

All those option are valid my friend, try them out and see which one makes you excited - bass line idea is right - direct support for kick.

Remember "this is just the beginning" so don't expect any miracles, everything takes time!!!!!!

Cheers.

Calgary ?

you have to be kidding me. A cultural vacuum populated by self righteous christian wing nuts. I was raised in Montreal and boy was that time in Calgary long and painful. I remember being gay bashed when I visited my parents for Christmas because I had some white dress shoes. I was confused as hell. I do miss the ginger beef.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad Calgary ? you have to be kidding me. A cultural vacuum populated by self righteous christian wing nuts. I was raised in Montreal and boy was that time in Calgary long and painful. I remember being gay bashed when I visited my parents for Christmas because I had some white dress shoes. I was confused as hell. I do miss the ginger beef.

I suppose I haven't lived there, but I see where you're coming from, Calgary is like the southern USA of Canada.

Edmonton is the OPPOSITE of Calgary that way, there's a huge gay community in Edmonton and it's a pretty damn open minded city.

I love the gays. Actually they love me but my self esteem could use the boost. Does Boodang still do stuff there ? How about Apollo? I haven't talked to anyone from that scene in years. Since 2002 ? I probably know most of the talent there and they still probably suck as always.

Oh i'm reinstalling osx on my other mac so and i can't remember M4B password as I had it automated with this keychain program.

great stuff....and the intro should have the ability to build up tension for the next part of the song IMO.like the first 60 secs could be used to show what the next 60 secs has to offer.i believe adding in some effects,sweeps,very subtle pads/dreamy sound(which kinda matches the synth progression)would make it delicious ...also the kick sample is kinda is not mixing in well IMO man...


but great stuff anyway

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Originally posted by sylvannas great stuff....and the intro should have the ability to build up tension for the next part of the song IMO.like the first 60 secs could be used to show what the next 60 secs has to offer.i believe adding in some effects,sweeps,very subtle pads/dreamy sound(which kinda matches the synth progression)would make it delicious ...also the kick sample is kinda is not mixing in well IMO man... but great stuff anyway

I updated the track, I changed the kick sample and I think the new one fits in much better, and yeah, the intro will be changed to have some warmer "teasing" sounds in it, but I've got an idea, I'm still working on coming up with a really nice melody to compliment the second hook that doesn't take away from the nice groove it has now, and what I want to do is tease THIS (future) melody at the beginning of the track and have it not reintroduced until near the end.

Anyway, here's the update.

Seventeen Update Friday, Dec 3rd by Seandroid

sounds a lot better, congrats

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