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Posted by osterzone on Nov-09-2010 17:09:

What's so great about classic trance?

Ok I'm finally bored of current trance. I still enjoy all the "cracker trance" tunes I bought this year, but I haven't purchased a new trance song since August.

So I've been looking more into the pre-2002 trance sound that all of you have been raving about on here. What is so great about it? It's basically a primitive, watered-down version of current trance with fewer melodies and rougher production qualities.

For example, Paul Van Dyk's most famous tracks sound like the stuff that beginners post in the music production forum. They're very, very basic. I'm not expecting Andy Blueman orchestral breakdowns and supersaw, but I can't believe trance got so popular with the classic sound.

Aside from the simplicity and nostalgic factor, what is so good about classic trance?

Posted by jenga on Nov-09-2010 17:15:

Creativity. Originality. Unpredictability.

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Nov-09-2010 17:16:

Posted by osterzone on Nov-09-2010 17:20:

quote:
Originally posted by jenga
Creativity. Originality. Unpredictability.

I don't see how originality makes music good over time.

So they were the first to do it...now others have done it and it sounds much better. "Originality" is a musical trait that doesn't age well.

Posted by JEO on Nov-09-2010 17:29:

I don't think anyone will even bother anymore, so.. Your time here is over.

Posted by RapidFire on Nov-09-2010 17:31:

music doesn't have to be overly complex to sound good. sometimes the simplest, most bared structures are the best. the older songs were a lot more inspired... you could just hear it. the sounds were original, more versatile and creative, and quality melodies weren't traded in for sleek production techniques like today.

but its normal. that was the birth of a genre and artists were excited by the notion of something new, they were driven to create and pioneer an entirely original form of dance music. you can't expect that kind of adulation to last forever, at least not on such a broad scope.

Posted by Scoops on Nov-09-2010 17:37:

Posted by KilldaDJ on Nov-09-2010 17:44:

its classic thats why.

Posted by Zak McKracken on Nov-09-2010 17:55:

because it was minimal. mnml 4ever!!

Posted by DreambreaX on Nov-09-2010 18:33:

Classic Trance have good melody

Posted by Mattsanity. on Nov-09-2010 18:56:

Re: What's so great about classic trance?

Posted by Christian Zade on Nov-09-2010 19:06:

the same thing with other classical things. Present sounds nice but sometimes it's good to look back at origins to mix things up a bit

Posted by Trance-M on Nov-09-2010 19:23:

quote:
Originally posted by RapidFire
you could just hear it.

Posted by srussell0018 on Nov-09-2010 22:53:

Posted by w_ashley on Nov-10-2010 00:29:

Posted by pzK on Nov-10-2010 00:38:

Their approach to melodies is much more complex than most current trance. Back in the day you had several melodic themes or variations upon a main theme throughout the entire track as opposed to now where in 90% of the cases you have 2-3 mins of nothing but kicks, then a breakdown which completely takes away the danceability containing a melody which seemed artificially put there, followed by the same kicks/basslines again. What I mean is, there used to be more shape into songs (I think that's what madforbrad meant in his thread at the producing forum).

Posted by SYSTEM-J on Nov-10-2010 01:02:

I feel bad for the kids who have gorged for so long on the over-produced junk food of modern epic trance they can't appreciate anything made from simpler ingredients.

EDIT: And what's the point in trying to like something just because everyone talks about it? If you aren't getting a vibe from classic trance just by playing it, it's not like anything we can write down will give you that vibe.

Posted by Beats and Beeps on Nov-10-2010 02:34:

i like it!

what is so great about classic techno?
what is so great about classic coke?

Posted by Swamper on Nov-10-2010 05:21:

Posted by Dj Pluviose on Nov-10-2010 06:15:

Classic Trance is a classic that's why.

Tiesto - Silence
Yahel - Open Your Mind [Magikal Remake]
Aria - Willow [Tiesto's Magikal Remake]
Rank 1 - Airwave
Tiesto - Suburban Train
Nalin & Kane - Open Your Eyes (Reworked Club Mix)
Goldenscan - Sunrise (Tiesto Remix)
Octagen & Arizona - Starburst
Agnelli & Nelson ft. Audrey Gallagher - Holding Onto Nothing (Paul Van Dyk Edit)
Pulser - Cloudwalking (Astral Remix)
Tiesto - Theme from Norefjell [Magikal Remake]
Taste Xperience - Summersault (Original Mix)
Tiesto - Just Be

Compare all these tracks with the "new modern songs"....

Dash Berlin ft. Emma Hewitt - Waiting
Dash Berlin - Till The Skies Fall Down
Armin van Buuren - Hold Onto Me
Armin van Buuren - In and Out of Love
Shogun ft. Emma Locke - Save Me
Stoneface & Terminal - Blueprint
Armin Van Buuren - Coming Home

Need I say more? Those are all, pure classic Trance songs, each with unique variation, dedicated and inspired work.

The first list I posted destroys all the new modern songs.

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Nov-10-2010 07:34:

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Pluviose
The first list I posted destroys all the new modern songs.

Most of the "classics" you listed there were exactly the tracks that started the downfall that led us to where we are now.

Posted by Matt_Moor on Nov-10-2010 08:16:

THere is 9 more of these "why 99" mixes all about 2 hours a piece showcasing different DJs styles at that time. This one has a collection of Sasha played tracks all mixed on 1210's.

Why 99 Was So Good Volume Four Mixed by by hidden-agenda

Orkidea - Unity
Cliff Tangredi - Shimmer
Ecano - Run (Z2 Mix)
Z2 - I Want You (Vocal Mix)
Hyper X - Out There (Steve Porter Mix)
Max Graham - Falling Together
Vincent De Moor - Belevin In My Mind
Return Of The Native - The Lost Tale
Ecano - Sphere # 1
Kolo - Track One (Steve Porter Mix)
Dominion - 11 Hours (Z2 Mix)
Christian West - Eterna (Main Mix)
Sasha - Xpander
Space Manouvers - Stage One (Total Seperation Mix)
Kamaya Painters - Wasteland (Chabs Tribute To Bedrock Mix)
Paganani Trax - Zoe (Timo Maas Mix)
The Alturistics - For All
Josha Ryan - Pistolwhip
Antic - The Pulse

Why 99 Was So Good Vol 5 Mixed by by hidden-agenda

Fridge - Paradise
GD - Choral Reef
Mauro Picotto - Lizard (Picotto Mix)
Steve Morley - Reincarnations (Mystic Groove Edit)
Ayla - Ayla (Space Brothers Meet Sacha Collision Mix)
Babe Instinct - Disco Babes From Outer Space (Lange Remix)
Ruff Driverz - Dreaming (Percussion Mix)
The Olmec Heads - Spiritualised
The Olmec Heads - Spiritualised (The Astral Mix)
Kayestone - Atmosphere (ReCon Mix)
Dj Sakin & friends - NoMansLand (Lange Remix)
Tin Tin Out - Sometimes (Matt Darey Remix)
Atlantis ITA - See you in the next life
Force Majeure - Redemption
Jonesy - Independance (Stadium Mix)
Billie - Girlfriend (tin tin our remix)
4x4x9 - Funky
Johnny Vicious feat. Lula - Ecstasy (MDMA X-Tasy Mix)
Jens - '99 Psycho Strings (Bervoets & De Goeij Remix)
Hi-Gate - Nappy Hardcore
Invisible Man - give A little love
Boccaccio Life - The Secret Wish
The Effect - Day Mission

Point Inn Classics by hidden-agenda

My Friend Sam - It's My Pleasure
Stereogen- Hi Q
Lionrock - Packet Of Peace
Viewfinder - I Want You All Night
House Nation - Zulu Nation
Club House - Take Your Time
C&C Music Factory - Music Is My Life
Hi Lux - Feel it
Suburban Delay - Energy Rush
Grace - Not Over Yet
Subliminal Cuts - Le Vois Le Soliel
Luv 4 Sale - Feel So Right
Rob Searle - Love Bomb
Hyper Go Go - High
Gordon Edge - Compounded
Interactive - Koma
Jam & Spoon - Follow Me

The tracklists for the other ones are (Volume one link still works btw)

VOLUME ONE

Galaxy - Higher Frequency
Mara - Fall From Grace (Indyman Vocal Mix)
Tilt - Children (Tilts Courtyard mix)
Quivver - She does
Indica - Pink Bomb
Resistance D - Feel High
Mox Epoque - I Feel My
Schiller - Das Glockenspiel (Humate Mix)
The Auranaut - People want to be needed
Jon vesta - gull
Tekknova - last trip to paradise
chakra - home (Dub mix)
Planet PErfecto - More
Planet Perfecto - Bullet in a gun (Saturday mix)
Acension - Someone
Jon Vesta - Substance
Giorgio Moroder - The Chase (Perfecto remix)
AMbassador - The fade (fade mix)
V One - Dead cities
Push - UNiversal Nation
Airwave - Lightspeed
Man with no name - va voom
CM - Dream universe
Groovezone - eisbear
transa - prophase (xcabs one mix)
dawntreder - mission
spectre - spectrum (ylem area 51 mix)
eyekon - firestrom
831 - desfyer (supa kings mix)
lost tribe - gamemaster
arksun - astrodancer (starecase mix)
mystica - bliss (oakenfold mix)
taste xperience - highlander
taste xperience - highlander (ralphie B mix)
silvio ecomo - standing
orbital - nothing left (breeder mix)
evolution - the phoneix (Breeder mix)

[[ LINK REMOVED ]]

VOLUME TWO

Mark 3 - watermark
PVD - Avenue
VDM - No Hesatation
John Rees - Beta Blocker
Prototype - Soundpiercing
Digger - Recalling 86
Des mitchell - welcome to the dance
Alternate - Alternate
DJ remy - pumped up
PVD - Columbia
Cabal - Energy Flow
The Thrillseekers - Synthesia
Mauro Picotto - Unknown
Atlantis Vs Avatar - fiji
Southside spinners - luvstruck
Dario G - voices
Natious - Amber
Ralphie B - Massive
VDM - Darwins voyage
Multiply - Multiplicity EP
Twisted Angel - feel It
Floorplay - One more time
Infernal machine - realistic
Thomas P heckman - Ultra vixens

VOLUME THREE

Armin Van Buuren - Virgo
Papa & Gilbey - The Void (Young American Primitive Drifting In The Void Mix)
KillaHurtz - West On 27th (A Tribe Called KHZ Mix)
Silvio Ecomo - Standing
Space Manouvres - Stage One (Chris Lakes Unreleased Saga Mix)
Andy Ling - Fixation (Main Mix)
Jark Prongo - Movin Thru Your System (Slackers Software System Remix)
Maurice - Feline (Union Mix)
Natious - Amber (Silk Mix)
Z2 - I Want You (vocal mix)
Kamaya Painters - Wasteland (Chabs Tribute To Bedrock mix)
Airwave - I Want To Believe

VOLUME FOUR

Orkidea - Unity
Cliff Tangredi - Shimmer
Ecano - Run (Z2 Mix)
Z2 - I Want You (Vocal Mix)
Hyper X - Out There (Steve Porter Mix)
Max Graham - Falling Together
Vincent De Moor - Belevin In My Mind
Return Of The Native - The Lost Tale
Ecano - Sphere # 1
Kolo - Track One (Steve Porter Mix)
Dominion - 11 Hours (Z2 Mix)
Christian West - Eterna (Main Mix)
Sasha - Xpander
Space Manouvers - Stage One (Seperation Mix)
Kamaya Painters - Wasteland (Chabs Tribute To Bedrock Mix)
Paganani Trax - Zoe (Timo Maas Mix)
The Alturistics - For All
Josha Ryan - Pistolwhip
Antic - The Pulse

VOLUME FIVE

Fridge - Paradise
GD - Choral Reef
Mauro Picotto - Lizard (Picotto Mix)
Steve Morley - Reincarnations (Mystic Groove Edit)
Ayla - Ayla (Space Brothers Meet Sacha Collision Mix)
Babe Instinct - Disco Babes From Outer Space (Lange Remix)
Ruff Driverz - Dreaming (Percussion Mix)
The Olmec Heads - Spiritualised
The Olmec Heads - Spiritualised (The Astral Mix)
Kayestone - Atmosphere (ReCon Mix)
Dj Sakin & friends - NoMansLand (Lange Remix)
Tin Tin Out - Sometimes (Matt Darey Remix)
Atlantis ITA - See you in the next life
Force Majeure - Redemption
Jonesy - Independance (Stadium Mix)
Billie - Girlfriend (tin tin our remix)
4x4x9 - Funky
Johnny Vicious feat. Lula - Ecstasy (MDMA X-Tasy Mix)
Jens - '99 Psycho Strings (Bervoets & De Goeij Remix)
Hi-Gate - Nappy Hardcore
Invisible Man - give A little love
Boccaccio Life - The Secret Wish
The Effect - Day Mission

VOLUME SIX

Dj Sakin & Friends - NoMansLand (Lange Rremix)
Lost Witness - Happiness Happening (Lange Remix)
Vincent De Moor - Darwins Voyage
Ron Hagan & Pascal - Forever
Jose Amnesia - Last Sunset In Ibiza (Island of Dream Mix)
Pulp Victim - Dreams Last For Long (Vincent De Moor Remix)
Quo Vadis - Sonic Boom (Yomanda Remix)
Conductor & The Cowboy - Feeling This Way
Technique - You & Me (Matt Darey Remix)
Space Brothers - Show Me Love (Mash Up Matt Remix)
Space Brothers - Heaven Will Come (lange remix)
Agenda - Heaven (Lange Rremix)
TR Junior - Rock With Me (Lange Vocal Rremix)
Eon - Pocket Damage
Prototype - SoundPiercing
Digger - Recalling 86

VOLUME 7

Amoeba Assassin � Pile driver (Grayed Out Mix)
A Split Second � Flesh (Trailer Trash Mix)
Transa � Enervate
The Nomads � The Holy Land Spirit (Club Mix)
Amoeba Assassin � Rollercoaster (Listen & Feel Mix)
Dawnseekers � Gothic Dream (John Johnson Remix)
XCabs � Neuro
Transa � Behind The Sun
Nemo � Spacemaker
Planisphere � Deep Blue Dream
Eve � Riser
Moogwai � Keo
Team Progress � Symphonic Music
Perfect State � Perfect State
LSG � Netherworld (Vinyl Cut)
DBA � Go With The Sun (The Total Eclipse Mix)
Two Fishes � Opera (Vince O Matic Mix)
Westbam vs Red Jerry � Wizards of the Sonic (Matt Darey Mix)
Tilt � Invisible (Tilts Human Mix)
Red Sign � Wonderland
Freefall � Skydive
Mansun � Wide open Space (Perfecto Remix)
Space Manouvres � Stage one (Tilts Apollo 11 Mix)
Oudja � Never Tell What You Think
Moogwai � The Labryinth (Part 1)
Lost it . com � Animal (Trance Mix)
Origin � Wide Eyed Angel (Inversion Mix)
Y-Traxx � Mystery Land (Sickboys Courtyard Mix)
Mekka � Diamonback
Natious � Amber (Lightning Mix)

VOLUME 8

Rui Da Silva - Earth
Halo Varga - Future
Steve Lawler - Rise In
Way Out West - Intensify (Black Ice Vocal Mix)
BT - Mercury & Solace (Quivver Mix)
Bill Hamel - Saline
RR Workshop - Mess with Da Bull
Lucid - Crazy (Nalin & Kanes Down On A Sit Mix)
Travel - Prey To Jerusalem (Incisions Mix)
Tata Box Inhibtors - Freet (Trisco Mix)
Fred Numf vs Five Point O - Hong Kong Junkie
Bluefish - One
Jerry Bonham - Erendira
Velvet Girl - Velvet (Van Bellen Dub)
Satoshi Tomiie - Love In Traffic (Dark Path Mix)
Trancesetters - Synergy (Glacier Mix)
Sander Klienenberg - Sacred (Vocal mix)
Solar Plexus - Solar Plexus
Finitribe - Love Above (Edit)

VOLUME 9

Argonaut - When You Think Its Right
Starecase - Hopeless
Dulux Connection - Horizon
Smoked - Metropolis
Classified Project - Eyecatcher (Snafu Mix)
Breeder - Sputnik
Ballroom - Passenger (Marc O Tool Remix)
Nalin & Kane - Live At The Crystal Palace (Bedrock Mix)
Condor - You Can Kiss My Ass (Adam Dived Mix)
Odessi - Moments Of Space
James Holden - Horizons
Cass & Slide - Perception (Vocal Mix)
Mono Culture - Free
Stylus Trouble - sputnik One
Johan Cyber - Crash (Funk Function Mix)
Luzon - The Baguio Track (Bedrock Mix)
Cass & Slide - Opera (Excession mix)

Posted by Trance-M on Nov-10-2010 08:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Pluviose

Compare all these tracks with the "new modern songs"....

Stoneface & Terminal - Blueprint

That one is great just because it uses sounds similar to the classic L.S.G. - Fragile.
But because it's modern too almost no-one noticed that.

Posted by Ian on Nov-10-2010 09:16:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I feel bad for the kids who have gorged for so long on the over-produced junk food of modern epic trance they can't appreciate anything made from simpler ingredients..

Exactly, it's like watching masterchef when they take classic recipe combinations that have worked together for years, decades, centuries and try to add something silly to it. Sometimes it works but most of the time less is more for a reason.

Posted by stealthman on Nov-10-2010 09:41:

quote:
Originally posted by osterzone
Ok I'm finally bored of current trance. I still enjoy all the "cracker trance" tunes I bought this year, but I haven't purchased a new trance song since August.

So I've been looking more into the pre-2002 trance sound that all of you have been raving about on here. What is so great about it? It's basically a primitive, watered-down version of current trance with fewer melodies and rougher production qualities.

For example, Paul Van Dyk's most famous tracks sound like the stuff that beginners post in the music production forum. They're very, very basic. I'm not expecting Andy Blueman orchestral breakdowns and supersaw,

Aside from the simplicity and nostalgic factor, what is so good about classic trance?

Dont criticize music from a period of time whereby you've barely even bothered to spend time to find any decent tunes with an open-minded perspective. Making references to Paul Van Dyk's early works shows you barely give a shit in your course to do so or you either haven't grown any pubes yet.

You say simple melodies in trance classics are primitive. I find them alot easier to remember and conveys the meaning of the track more effectively. Is that why producers/DJ's these days run out of ideas too quickly only to find themselves remixing old tunes all over again eh?

Watered down. We are talking about the state of a genre that is widely and officially accepted as the "golden-era". The very success that led itself to its own bastardization by try hard producers who constantly fail in their attempts to reinvent the essence of Trance.
If old trance fails that much in order to be considered watered down I'm pretty sure the "golden era" title would automatically become reclaimed back to its respected position today. However unfortunately for you, your obnoxious tastes in Trance music in comparison to the ratio of historic success of the genre from that point in time, bringing that title back would be about as possible as fisting the end of a needle. Watering something down is a process which follows the chronological order of time (in this case Success moving down towards Failure), not backwards, you fucksocket.

Rougher production qualities. In other words, all you need is advanced up to date ableton/fruityloops/whatever shitty production software filled with clich�d presets to make that modern sounding Trance tune with those mega high quality crisp sounds and reverberated X 50,000 vocals made in an hour like a cheese factory for that next gig unicorn laser gig instead of some good old inspiration. You�re an insult to music in general. Fuck off.

quote:
but I can't believe trance got so popular with the classic sound.

It is sad indeed when those clean, innocent rainforests are bulldozed constantly, just like the way technology (abused) and the ever growing hunger for profit fucked the meaning of Trance music. Pull your head out your ignorant, arrogant arse and accept it.

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