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McGuinty's energy scam

Ladies and gentlemen, your elected Provincial Government at work:

Confidential document reveals true cost of McGuinty�s energy experiments

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QUEEN�S PARK � Today, Ontario PC Leader Tim Hudak released a confidential document from Sussex Strategy Group, a Canadian lobbying and public affairs company. Both Chris Benedetti and President, Paul Pellegrini were Aids to senior Liberal ministers.

It shows Dalton McGuinty�s failed energy experiments are expected to increase Ontario families� home hydro rates by 36 percent in 2012. Worse still, the same document outlines a plan for a special interest group to publicly defend the McGuinty government�s costly energy agenda by confusing the public and the media on the real cost to families.

For several weeks, Tim Hudak and the Ontario PCs have been calling on Dalton McGuinty and Energy Minister Brad Duguid to release their energy bill impact statements to the public, so families won�t have to wait until they open their bills to know how much the cost of hydro is going up. While the McGuinty government has stonewalled the PCs� requests, this document shows the special interest groups have been given the confidential information the PC Caucus has demanded be given to the public.

Hudak called on Dalton McGuinty once again to come clean on how much his energy experiments will cost Ontario families by releasing the bill impact statements, the details of his Samsung subsidy and the government�s long-term energy plan.

Excerpts from the document:

* �In this it will be critical to �confuse� the issue in the political/public/media away from just price.� (p.2)

* �Lack of considerable economic investment (jobs) to yet come online (lots of announcements to-date but few have actually been realized yet).� (p.3)

* �Residential rates will increase another 36 percent in 2012.� (p.14)

* � Research needs to support this, and should be coordinated with MEI and OPA.� (p.7)

* �In order to talk past the noisy activists and editorial positions, there needs to be a coordinated, paid, earned and social media campaign.� (p.9)

* �Further research is also required post spike in bill fury, including focus groups to colour, wording and emotion to craft effective, targeted messages�. (p.8)

* �Perception that the pro-renewable sector (industry, ENGOs, etc.) have been too quiet and need to be mobilized. This needs to be addressed immediately!� (p.4)

* �Goal is to have $300,000 in hand through contributions from developers and manufacturers to seed the campaign. Each developer asked for a financial contribution of $15,000-$30,000 to support this effort. Anonymous contributions to the campaign are possible.� (p. 11)

Wow...

JayX1's TA nemesis in before JayX1....

lol - I'm all for renewable energy and don't mind paying for it, it's the deliberate, planned dishonesty that I can't stand.

Im not surprised at all

Just another nail in McGuintys inevitable coffin.

сука

-that is his only name.

Don't have a link handy on this but the FIT program is a farce and we're all footing the bill

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com...-market-leaders

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Originally posted by Sentinal Just another nail in McGuintys inevitable coffin.

I'm sure he's fine with it as long as he takes all of Ontario down with him.

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Originally posted by Swamper Don't have a link handy on this but the FIT program is a farce and we're all footing the bill http://www.renewableenergyworld.com...-market-leaders

SOLAR in ontario is a scam but FIT goes beyond solar

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Originally posted by Swamper Don't have a link handy on this but the FIT program is a farce and we're all footing the bill http://www.renewableenergyworld.com...-market-leaders

You're shooting yourself in the foot. If you apply for FIT and install a couple of solarpanels on TA headquarters roof Ontario will pay you $0.75/kwh for the next 20 years!! Even though it currently costs consumer less than $0.10/kwh to buy. Economics 101 I guess, by high sell low...

Ive been saying it since 2003, mcguinty is bad news for this province. I said this after the first knifing in our backs by him. (actually even before that) It took a million stab wounds for most other people to finally realize.

I cant wait till the books are opened at city hall. whoooooo this is gonna be fun!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Ive been saying it since 2003, mcguinty is bad news for this province. I said this after the first knifing in our backs by him. (actually even before that) It took a million stab wounds for most other people to finally realize. I cant wait till the books are opened at city hall. whoooooo this is gonna be fun!

If only you could have presented decent arguments and stories that consisted of something other than "OMG wtf die socialists!" - you have had many good points on the tribs and fibs of McGuinty and others in the red camp, that were only marred by your Sun Media-esque Op-Ed=News style.

The Ont. Liberals are probably going to get a well-deserved bloody nose and fat lip next year - but I still don't get a sense of any actual identity from Hudak. Will he campaign on something other than "BAD LIBS HST BANDITS!!!"?

(actually that might be enough on its' own)

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Originally posted by daves If only you could have presented decent arguments and stories that consisted of something other than "OMG wtf die socialists!" - you have had many good points on the tribs and fibs of McGuinty and others in the red camp, that were only marred by your Sun Media-esque Op-Ed=News style. The Ont. Liberals are probably going to get a well-deserved bloody nose and fat lip next year - but I still don't get a sense of any actual identity from Hudak. Will he campaign on something other than "BAD LIBS HST BANDITS!!!"? (actually that might be enough on its' own)

go have a look at posts from 2003. there were a lot of credible posts as to why mcguinty cant be trusted. And in fact the day after he was elected he raised taxes.

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Confidential document reveals....

Confidential to....

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its shows

It forcasts... it can't show somethng that doesn't exist.


increase of

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36 percent in 2012.

Why is this? How do people avoid this 36% spike?

The end of the story is that communities need to unite to have local energy solutions such as solar pannel use for neighbourhoods or medium and small size wind generators. There are many other potential energy havesting systems possible. If you don't like to pay for other peoples electricity generate it yourself, there are a lot of options out there for low startup.

It s hearsay until prooven as true. I think that you make yourself vunerable when you trust peoples statements without evidence - you can take it into consideration but you make yourself prey to machivelian tactics to base your opinions on unverifiable statements rather than sound plans of action based on flawless contigency and knowledge of creating a solution.

The local solution isn't a total fix but it can help to reduce rates by energy share.

Electricity except for heat is absolutely not required, for household living, it is a luxury, and luxuries generally come at a cost. The province shouldn't even be anywhere near household energy, regulation - except the fact if they own the business they should regulate it for public interest, and the companies well being for continued public service.

I can't see this hasn't been done - fact is energy consumption is TOO high, if it makes a differnce in your pocket book. I would be paying more for keeping an electric service than using the electricity in my service. I'm not sure about you but I don't need a fridge, I can survive even without an electric stove. Lighting isn't required. People CAN handwash clothing (most nice clothes require handwashing) people can also dry their cloathng by air. Fact is people are just high users of electricity... the BIG users are industries, and the industrial electric system and domestic system should be two totally different things. BUSINESSes DO need electricity though as a standard.

So the people that are effected are businesses and this is probably why Hudak making a case. Maybe not though, who knows.

None the less the real solution here is community organization and shared electricity solutions, buildings using generators etc.. The cost pays for itself - but hold on do people even live in the same placae for 5 years anymore? If the energy costs are "unfair" then it leaves a market for energy startups to fill. Don't rely on the government to save you, it usually works the otherway around.


Realize rates will go up because of increased demand by electric vehciles. They need to build some new nuclear plants, and they are really expensive, if not what is the solution - more debt, or brownouts?

By Ehousing initiative and ecoenergy programs as well as others there were oppourtunties for middle income indivduals to invest in energy solutions.

I still strongly advocate for a social contract basis for enabling neighbourhoods to increase their local grid capacities, on a basis of share of the technology. Example communty members pay a portion the government pays the rest - on the basis that excess energy production goes back into the grid. (this could reduce 'global' energy costs.

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Originally posted by Swamper Don't have a link handy on this but the FIT program is a farce and we're all footing the bill http://www.renewableenergyworld.com...-market-leaders

Curious as to what makes you thinkk its a farce? I work in the solar business so would like to hear some feedback ?

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Originally posted by ******** I'm not sure about you but I don't need a fridge, I can survive even without an electric stove. Lighting isn't required. People CAN handwash clothing (most nice clothes require handwashing) people can also dry their cloathng by air. Fact is people are just high users of electricity.

How will you will keep your food cold? the money you save from not having a fridge you will spend twice the amount on food after it spoils in a day.

Sure, anyone can survive with out power...the key word is SURVIVE!!! But our standard of living requires the use of power, there is no way around it.

How much power did your computer just use to make that post?

Dear Mr. McGuinty,

Fuck you.

Yours,

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Originally posted by daves If only you could have presented decent arguments and stories that consisted of something other than "OMG wtf die socialists!" - you have had many good points on the tribs and fibs of McGuinty and others in the red camp, that were only marred by your Sun Media-esque Op-Ed=News style. The Ont. Liberals are probably going to get a well-deserved bloody nose and fat lip next year - but I still don't get a sense of any actual identity from Hudak. Will he campaign on something other than "BAD LIBS HST BANDITS!!!"? (actually that might be enough on its' own)

He's been highlighting the dangers of McGuinty for years dude. In many clear and concise posts, over hundreds of threads.

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Originally posted by ******** I can't see this hasn't been done - fact is energy consumption is TOO high, if it makes a differnce in your pocket book. I would be paying more for keeping an electric service than using the electricity in my service. I'm not sure about you but I don't need a fridge, I can survive even without an electric stove. Lighting isn't required. People CAN handwash clothing (most nice clothes require handwashing) people can also dry their cloathng by air. Fact is people are just high users of electricity... the BIG users are industries, and the industrial electric system and domestic system should be two totally different things. BUSINESSes DO need electricity though as a standard.

So what you are saying is that we should all start camping and living like the 1800s?

You do know that before the advent of electricity, London (the biggest city in the world at that time) was many more times polluted than it is today even though its population has increased by millions right?

So maybe we should go back to candles, coal and kerosene like the good old days. Yeah, who needs electricity anyways?

We should start reducing power by unplugging your computer

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