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Fake Sennheiser Products.... HD25 Coiled Cords...

Heads Up...

Beware of fake/counterfeit/aftermarket Sennheiser products. I learned the hardway. A couple years ago I bought some HD25 II. The cord was too small, so I bought a replacement coiled cord from Hard To Find Records. I purchased many vinyls from them in years past, so I didn't think anything of it. When I got the cord, which I paid a lot for, I noticed that the audio had some degradation. I didn't think anything of it.

Well, that cord went bad several weeks ago. I called Sennheiser and purchased a replacement cord from them last week. When I received the cord, I noticed it was VERY different than the one I got from HTFR. The cable was thicker, heavier, and most importantly, the connectors were different. But the big difference came when I heard the sound. The quality was amazing. There was a HUGE difference. Needless to say, I paid the same amount buying a legit quality product direct from the manufacturer, than a buying a fake/aftermarket product from a 3rd party.

Lesson learned. Buy replacement parts directly from Sennheiser. Even Sennheiser warns you on their website.

Don't matter on the product, there is always guna be fakes of them about. I am however very surprise HTFR have supplied you with such item, at their prices you would expect them to be real.

a wire is a wire. You probably just got a dud or the connectors were not meant for the headphone. A generic wire will sound as good as a 10 000 wire. Its all just copper.

Yeah, I could've gotten a dud but the packaging & built is definetely different. The one from Senn has a screw on 1/4" gold adaptor and gold tips. The Senn one is straight and the HTFR one is L-Shaped. That's something I did like from the HTFR one, I wish the Senn had an L-Shaped plug. The tips are poles instead of being flat like the one I got from HTFR. The Senn's packaging is Senn branding, the one from HTFR wasn't. The Senn one is thicker cable.

I'll post pix later.

Senns comparison
Here's some pictures so you can compare them your self.

On the left is the legit cable.


Notice the pins on the left are round posts and the one on the right is flat. The left one (red) is the legit one.


The one with a straight tip is the legit one. Notice the cable is thicker, it has a gold tip, and it also has a screw on tip for the 1/4" adapter.


The one on the bottom has that little block that separates the cables. That's the legit one. The one on the top doesn't have it.


The one on the bottom is the legit one. The cable is thicker.

thanks for the info, its useful, i have one sennheiser hd 280.

I think the left one is just a newer version (an update if you like), a friend of mine has a pair and his chord is the one on the right (L shape plug) which were supplied with the headphones when he got them (about two years ago ish). I've never unplugged them to inspect the pins so can't comment on that.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad a wire is a wire. You probably just got a dud or the connectors were not meant for the headphone. A generic wire will sound as good as a 10 000 wire. Its all just copper.

I am interested to know how much talk about cables is truth and how much is bull shit.

Does anyone know of any studies that prove it's truth/bullshit?

cables are important. your setup aint better than the worst part of the chain, use 6$ cables and your setup is worthless. its not just all copper. its how dense the copper is (%air in the cable), and sometimes you even have silver in the cables (which is the best lead). the connectors can be gold (which is the best connector as its good leading electricity and pretty soft, to allow maximum connectarea). thickness, number of leads, how its twisted etc are also important parameters.

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Originally posted by Kenny Rogers cables are important. your setup aint better than the worst part of the chain, use 6$ cables and your setup is worthless. its not just all copper. its how dense the copper is (%air in the cable), and sometimes you even have silver in the cables (which is the best lead). the connectors can be gold (which is the best connector as its good leading electricity and pretty soft, to allow maximum connectarea). thickness, number of leads, how its twisted etc are also important parameters.

But how much of a difference does it make?

I've heard all of this talked about, but never seen any studies or evidence that it's true.

Then I have seen people flaunting �200 hdmi cables when it's a fully digital medium that does not suffer from noise and a �0.99 one would do equally well.

all metals have a resistance, the less resistance the better. Basicaly its atoms arnt tightly packed together so can move around more freely and can conduct better.. Copper is a good conductor, but not the best.. Silver is better but obviously will cost you alot more.. Like kenny said, thickness will play apart as the thicker cable will offer you less resistance, and yeah your system aint better than the worst part of the chain.

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Originally posted by Andy28 all metals have a resistance, the less resistance the better. Basicaly its atoms arnt tightly packed together so can move around more freely and can conduct better.. Copper is a good conductor, but not the best.. Silver is better but obviously will cost you alot more.. Like kenny said, thickness will play apart as the thicker cable will offer you less resistance, and yeah your system aint better than the worst part of the chain.

But where are the studies?!?!?!

What studies do you need? This is scientific fact.

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Originally posted by Andy28 What studies do you need? This is scientific fact.

Yes I know all about resistance since GCSE physics, but in terms of audio some cable company's claim you'll hear whole new instruments and vocals in tracks. Can it honestly make that much difference? I doubt it.

It seems to me like cables could be a bit like every informercial out there, blagged up shit.

$5000 for a Red Dawn speaker cable 1.5m long. Jesus. Really?

What difference are we talking at various frequencies in dB?

That's what I want to know.

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 some cable company's claim you'll hear whole new instruments and vocals in tracks. Can it honestly make that much difference? I doubt it.

I still think it will make a small difference, but certainly not enough to spend 5k on 1.5m long cable (you must be mad), and definately not to the extent you mentioned above.

I'd like to replace my HD-25-1 II cable with a coiled cable as well. From where can I order an official replacement?

Edit: maybe calling up Sennheiser to order the cable as the OP did is the best bet.

http://photos.audiojunkies.com/blog...-on-cable-myths

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#wiretable


summation cables are about the last thing you should worry about. The difference between a 20 $ cable and a 4000$ cable is non existent except maybe a placebo effect. There isn't a difference between 20$ cables and monster cables. ONce you pass the basic standard threshold which 20$ wires already pass, you are basically wasting your money.

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Originally posted by Andy28 I still think it will make a small difference, but certainly not enough to spend 5k on 1.5m long cable (you must be mad), and definately not to the extent you mentioned above.

http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordo...ker%20Cable.htm

lol

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordo...ker%20Cable.htm lol

1m pair @ �14,815.00... WTF!!

Who buys this shit??

At least the p&p is free

So now that the cable bullshit has been debunked and unless you buy utterly cheapo stuff then it won't make a blind bit of difference, what else is next to be smashed apart?

Sound cards and AD Converters?

Sound Source?

Power cables make the biggest difference. !0 gauge will unleash more bass and depth

Vocals will be more airy and faster too.

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 Vocals will be more airy and faster too.

wut are you takin about

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Originally posted by orTof�nChiLd wut are you takin about

I was taking the piss, were you not?

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 I was taking the piss, were you not?

what

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