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I love trees, but I hate LEDs

I know I'm supposed to be all about LED Christmas lights, but I hate them. They look like death. Im going to continue to buy incandescents until they figure out how to make LEDs look warm and inviting. Does this take me off the tree-hugger list?

No, fuck'm I still go to old growth and chop down my christmas tree and light it with fucking candles!

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby No, fuck'm I still go to old growth and chop down my christmas tree and light it with fucking candles!

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Originally posted by couch-potato

New version broke the server I play on (just started playing again) and I built this giant aqueduct system with water falls and stuff and multiple levels.... AND IT DIDNT SAVE!

Below is a map generated off the server. Its fun.

http://srv1.unitedoperations.net/minecraft/world.png

I kinda like the fibre optic ones but the trees themselves aren't big enough. I want one of about 10ft for our lounge and the biggest I've seen is about 6ft.

Real chrissie trees FTW.

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie I know I'm supposed to be all about LED Christmas lights, but I hate them. They look like death. Im going to continue to buy incandescents until they figure out how to make LEDs look warm and inviting. Does this take me off the tree-hugger list?

no. Using technology doesn't equate tree hugger. Also it doesn't equate how your energy is produced. Most people don't live as ludites, if they did they might be spending xmas with Jesus.

If you'd like to conserve energy just try to share the beauty your warm bulbs with as many people as possible... and remember warm bulbs are more prone to fire if left on for extended periods, so be safe and don't leave your tree on if no one is there to take in its beauty.


Now cutting down a real christmas tree is probably extending the non treehugerness- however artificial trees are usually made of plastic - also not treehugerish.

There is the otpion of getting a house plan or decorating a tree outside and having a a "gift table" if you are going for gifts under the tree.

Maybe some fun wintery games outside with your friends and family, building a snow man next to the tree.

Then coming in for some hot cocoa.

When guests are over they can be invited in passing by the tree.


The housetree (indoor or outdoor) is the alternative to cutting a tree down or using an artificial tree. You could use candals instead but these require that much more care.

I think that it is great you are world conscience but it likely will not matter.
Due to massive projects that do more than the total of all humans involved.

For example CERN LHC 7TeV 1 million times hotter than the sun experiments -- planned to occur 1 million times. what is 1 million x 1 million times hotter than the sun in heat output, and how much is 1 million experiements at 7TeV?


What it comes down to is that it is your electric bill.

Doing good is good of course, like planting 10 trees for every tree you cut down for each year of the trees life. (example for a 50 year old tree plant 500 trees for a 5 year old tree plant 50. For 100 year old tree plant 5000.

What it comes down is to your pocket book.

buying a new set of lights will probably consume more energy than just using your old lights.

this thread should be about weed

i work with LED lighting

I agree. Old school tree lights ftw. Unfortunately our tree has LEDs. :/

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Originally posted by ******** Now cutting down a real christmas tree is probably extending the non treehugerness- however artificial trees are usually made of plastic - also not treehugerish.

Actually if you have a tree farm and you're constantly cutting down trees and replacing them, you basically have a carbon absorption factory. Trees need CO2 to grow, and once trees reach maturity they stop absorbing more CO2 than they emit. The "plant mor treez" CO2 reduction theory only works if you then cut them down and plant new ones when they're done growing.

So there's a solid argument to going out and cutting down your own Christmas tree.

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie Actually if you have a tree farm and you're constantly cutting down trees and replacing them, you basically have a carbon absorption factory. Trees need CO2 to grow, and once trees reach maturity they stop absorbing more CO2 than they emit. The "plant mor treez" CO2 reduction theory only works if you then cut them down and plant new ones when they're done growing.

I get what you are saying.


From a C02 perspective you might be right but you have to understand that trees convert CO2 to oxygen, and it isn't simply the absorption of CO2.

I don't want to test your worldview - but there is more to a tree than simply its ability to help remove c02 from the atmoshphere. it helps with soil conversion - feeds fungi, and animals. Pine for instance is a wonderful food source - high source of vitamin c, and smells good. Cedar is much the same in terms of usefulness. All uses of trees don't require the tree to be killed, there is non destructive agroforestry.

Just think if people didn't cut down trees for christmas would they even pay attention to them .. it is a pagan ceremony adopted by the romans, it actually traces back to tree worship - so in that sense it is probably the most tree huging thing - only at one point they decorated living trees outside... (perhaps the antipaganness of christianity metamorphesised to the point of killing the tree.. maybe charlemagne tried to convert them.. but they stood strong and so were cut down as pagan) I'm not sure when this started to change but I bet it relates to cold weather and a need for firewood.

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So there's a solid argument to going out and cutting down your own Christmas tree.

I hear you. I understand your perspective. Personally I think the most tree hugerish thing you can do is go out help plant some trees and skip the killing and decorating point. Of course decorating a tree won't per se do a lot of damage.

Hey it happens for a reason. Its not like I don't use paper.

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Originally posted by ******** I don't want to test your worldview

Thanks, this made me laugh.

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Originally posted by get nyce this thread should be about weed

that's the first thing i've ever seen you post that made any sense.

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Originally posted by Kenny Rogers edit: but now finally suspended

He's suspended?

Re: I love trees, but I hate LEDs

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie I know I'm supposed to be all about LED Christmas lights, but I hate them. They look like death. Im going to continue to buy incandescents until they figure out how to make LEDs look warm and inviting. Does this take me off the tree-hugger list?

Soon you'll be able to buy Christmas trees that glow like streetlights

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Originally posted by Omega_M Soon you'll be able to buy Christmas trees that glow like streetlights

This is amazing, and likely the most amazing thing I would like to live long enough to see.

That's pretty incredible.

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