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Posted by DJRYAN� on Jan-13-2011 20:35:

Side-Chaining

Most important step in music production. I've seen it used pretty easily in Albeton, however, in Reason, using (compressor?) it seems that the wiring method is a bit difficult.

Maybe we can discuss the different ways of side-chaining in both Reason & Albeton- perferably Reason =)


Posted by Zak McKracken on Jan-13-2011 20:54:




i have a suggestion for Diginut. BAN anyone who mentions sidechain again.


Posted by EddieZilker on Jan-13-2011 20:56:

Oh, come on. Use the search function. There's a TON of threads which discuss it. Not that I've read them, but...












And placing importance on one technique above anything else is wrong-headed.


Posted by Beatflux on Jan-13-2011 21:31:

quote:
Originally posted by EddieZilker












And placing importance on one technique above anything else is wrong-headed.


Half the groove from trance comes from side chain.


Posted by Zak McKracken on Jan-13-2011 21:32:

especially a technique which isnt important at all. just lay the baseline off the kick and your fine without it. you dont need that rolling shit.


Posted by Zak McKracken on Jan-13-2011 21:33:

quote:
Originally posted by Beatflux
Half the groove from trance comes from side chain.


the other half come from good music.


Posted by DJRYAN� on Jan-13-2011 21:39:

quote:
Originally posted by ken_lee
especially a technique which isnt important at all. just lay the baseline off the kick and your fine without it. you dont need that rolling shit.


That's the easiest- I copy the entire bass line, or whatever sound, and then move it over 1/32 or so to achieve the desired effect.


Posted by Zak McKracken on Jan-13-2011 21:42:

washley? booby west virginia?


Posted by DJRYAN� on Jan-13-2011 21:43:

here's a good link for sidechaining-
http://audio.tutsplus.com/tutorials...king-in-reason/


Posted by Zak McKracken on Jan-13-2011 21:46:

rofl. sorry man everyone knows how to do it, you dont need to try to learn us something as boring as sidechaining. its even in the Reason manual lol, try to read that. this must be a troll hu?


Posted by DJRYAN� on Jan-13-2011 21:55:

No trolling, I've just taught myself what I know and sometimes hearing about different ways of doing the same things or even techniques that make what is done sound better.. Its all for the greater good of EDM Production.


Posted by Zak McKracken on Jan-13-2011 21:58:

greater good is whats good for most people. this is not it. and you thought yourself what you know? lol sigworthy.


Posted by Aesthetic on Jan-13-2011 22:03:

Side chaining is far from the most important step in trance production


Posted by RickyM on Jan-13-2011 22:18:

Dave is right. Why are you always right Dave?


Posted by Rodri Santos on Jan-13-2011 22:20:

if you aim to produce a very layered style such as uplifting trance you need to know how to sidechain, here ends being a trendy tool to become a handy tool in the mixdown.


Posted by EddieZilker on Jan-13-2011 22:22:


Posted by johncannons1 on Jan-13-2011 22:27:


Posted by sako487 on Jan-13-2011 22:56:

http://tinyurl.com/yb6jawj

all you need to know about sidechain


Posted by DJ RANN on Jan-14-2011 00:12:

quote:
Originally posted by ken_lee



i have a suggestion for Diginut. BAN anyone who mentions sidechain again.



POT - KETTLE - BLACK!

quote:
Originally posted by ken_lee
1. eq+distortion(presence)
2. analog sidechain
3. avoid master compression


quote:
Originally posted by ken_lee
by adding analog sidechain ofcourse. and mastering.

i dont even know what izone 4 is? a daw?


quote:
Originally posted by ken_lee
or analog sidechain.

quote:
Originally posted by ken_lee
analog/sidechain


quote:
Originally posted by ken_lee
makes this track special? is it a sampled loop or a synthlead or a distorted reversed sound-fx? or is it a cowbell? analog sidechain is not a main element.


quote:
Originally posted by ken_lee
analog - compressor (sidechain mix)


quote:
Originally posted by ken_lee
have u tried analog sidechain? might take things further.


quote:
Originally posted by ken_lee
u need more analog. sidechain.


quote:
Originally posted by ken_lee
sidechain, analog.

just add a little compression and raise the gain a littlebit.


quote:
Originally posted by ken_lee
does anyone still use sidechain as an effect?


quote:
Originally posted by ken_lee
i usualy eq them on the lows. i dont sidechain them.


And that's just the last 6 months.

Reminds me of this....



Oh wait, you want to get yourself banned don't you?


Posted by vikernes on Jan-14-2011 01:01:

quote:
Originally posted by ken_lee



i have a suggestion for Diginut. BAN anyone who mentions sidechain again.


Sidechaining is a lot like violence. If it doesn't solve your problem, you aren't using enough of it.


Posted by Aesthetic on Jan-14-2011 02:03:

Being Australian helps man

quote:
Originally posted by RickyM
Dave is right. Why are you always right Dave?


Posted by kitphillips on Jan-14-2011 08:04:

TEH ANALOGUEZ AND SIDECHAINZZZ IS TEH MOST IMPPORTANT STEPZ IN TeH TrAnCE!!!111!!!!!

quote:
Originally posted by Beatflux
Half the groove from trance comes from side chain.


Groove in trance? Wat?


Posted by Subtle on Jan-14-2011 16:54:

Re: Side-Chaining

quote:
Originally posted by DJRYAN�
Most important step in music production. I've seen it used pretty easily in Albeton, however, in Reason, using (compressor?) it seems that the wiring method is a bit difficult.

Maybe we can discuss the different ways of side-chaining in both Reason & Albeton- perferably Reason =)
youtube


Posted by Raphie on Jan-14-2011 16:59:

search function?


Posted by pointPi on Jan-14-2011 17:28:

quote:
Originally posted by ken_lee
especially a technique which isnt important at all. just lay the baseline off the kick and your fine without it. you dont need that rolling shit.


Eh? Did you just say that we need to get rid of the rolling basslines? That's one of the very few things that makes trance trance. Together with a 4/4 kick and lots of synth riffs, that's pretty much the minimum requirments to be count as trance. The rest is make it however you want it.

As for sidechaining, all it does is to make the kick drum become more audible and that's totally fine to me. Trance, heck, all 4/4 based EDM revolves around the kick, so it has to be audible. I always imagine the kick drum as the pounding heart and all the sidechained stuff as the blood getting pumped through the vessels.

However, there are a bazillion ways to sidechain your tracks and all I can say is, if you haven't figured out yourself your own way to sidechain, I don't see any hope in you as a producer.


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