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This is why steinberg rules
Now lets just hope that synth developers support this shit when it comes out. What's next; that you'll be able to put vst effects on every note?

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Originally posted by vikernes This is why steinberg rules Now lets just hope that synth developers support this shit when it comes out. What's next; that you'll be able to put vst effects on every note?

Hate to break it to you but Protools has been able to do the vast majority of this stuff for over 3 years now. It's great that Cubase now has it especially as cubase has so much better midi implementation but nothing really new as far as I can see.

Btw, in PTHD, you actually can can add an effect to any note, er in fact to any section, even as small as individual waveform sample slices.

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...the only limit is your imagination....well, that, and you DO need a VST-compatible instrument...

Funny how they left out the part about it being a VST3.5-compatible instrument...

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...but remember, we invented VST, so we've got you covered.

Translation: you'll be stuck using our wonderful bundled synths until 3rd party developers rush out and make their synths VST3.5-compatible. And, we all saw how quickly they jumped on VST3 compatibility.

Sorry, I don't dislike Cubase, but the more I've been seeing about Cubase 6 today, the more underwhelmed I've become.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Hate to break it to you but Protools has been able to do the vast majority of this stuff for over 3 years now. It's great that Cubase now has it especially as cubase has so much better midi implementation but nothing really new as far as I can see. Btw, in PTHD, you actually can can add an effect to any note, er in fact to any section, even as small as individual waveform sample slices.

You are talking about adding fx on a clip or an event yes? Did you watch the video? This is nothing like that. Imagine having an Am chord 2 bars long saw pad and putting a tremolo on the C and E note. But have the tremolo start at 4th beat on the C note and on the 6th beat on the E note. And draw a sine automation for the C note tremolo and a ramp shape for the E note. Or have a Am chord but pan the notes CE left and right. AFAIK this has not been possible until now. You'd need to use 3 instances of the same plugin and seperate automation for each of them for this effect in today's DAWs.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Funny how they left out the part about it being a VST3.5-compatible instrument... Translation: you'll be stuck using our wonderful bundled synths until 3rd party developers rush out and make their synths VST3.5-compatible. And, we all saw how quickly they jumped on VST3 compatibility. Sorry, I don't dislike Cubase, but the more I've been seeing about Cubase 6 today, the more underwhelmed I've become.

Haha, yeah,. I was getting ready to jump around and then that guy starts talking softly "oh, you need a compatible instrument".

Nevertheless, I see great things for this technology. Also, I have no idea why more developers (VST and DAW) don't support vst3. After Waves rolled out I was thinking for sure more developers will go vst 3 now. Didn't happen. And there's also a small number of DAWs that support vst 3 (Cubase, Studio one and FL?). Even Sonar X1 doesn't support vst 3 what's up with that?

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Originally posted by vikernes And there's also a small number of DAWs that support vst 3 (Cubase, Studio one and FL?). Even Sonar X1 doesn't support vst 3 what's up with that?

I didn't realize that FL supports VST3. The Cakewalk guys have been pretty firm in their stance that it's not worth their time to support VST3 because they don't see the cost:benefit, especially since so many 3rd party developers have ignored it.

The other thing I'll add is that, while this does seem like a pretty impressive feature to have, I don't really see much in the way of practical uses to most users. It sorta reminds me of the boners everybody had over Melodyne's DNA technology - how often do you see people talking about it or making practical use out of it now?

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Originally posted by cryophonik I didn't realize that FL supports VST3. The Cakewalk guys have been pretty firm in their stance that it's not worth their time to support VST3 because they don't see the cost:benefit, especially since so many 3rd party developers have ignored it. The other thing I'll add is that, while this does seem like a pretty impressive feature to have, I don't really see much in the way of practical uses to most users. It sorta reminds me of the boners everybody had over Melodyne's DNA technology - how often do you see people talking about it or making practical use out of it now?

Yes, FL supports vst3 since v9 I think. As far as the vsts go I know Fabfilter has a lot of them in vst3 already, all of waves, some elysia stuff, izotope alloy,... and that's pretty much it Which is a shame, because it's supposed to be (at least steinberg says so) just a recompile with the new sdk basically.
I haven't seen a single vst 3 third party instrument though.

That melodyne guy is an idiot. The first video I saw, I knew it was too good to be true. If he would have released melodyne right then he'd be a millionaire by now. Instead they waited 1 year and then released a public beta, then demo... so everyone could see how much it sucked before buying it.

Talking about VST expression though; I've seen many cinematic guys saying it's a life saver.
I just want this now and I think it has many practical uses. The first one that comes to mind for me is the ability to have volume automation on individual notes within a chord.

edit: did you see that you can actually dock windows now? So it's more like Studio One now. Holy shit. It only took them like 10 years for that one. Hopefully it's not only on the mac version.

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Originally posted by vikernes Yes, FL supports vst3 since v9 I think. As far as the vsts go I know Fabfilter has a lot of them in vst3 already, all of waves, some elysia stuff, izotope alloy,... and that's pretty much it Which is a shame, because it's supposed to be (at least steinberg says so) just a recompile with the new sdk basically. I haven't seen a single vst 3 third party instrument though. That melodyne guy is an idiot. The first video I saw, I knew it was too good to be true. If he would have released melodyne right then he'd be a millionaire by now. Instead they waited 1 year and then released a public beta, then demo... so everyone could see how much it sucked before buying it. Talking about VST expression though; I've seen many cinematic guys saying it's a life saver. I just want this now and I think it has many practical uses. The first one that comes to mind for me is the ability to have volume automation on individual notes within a chord. edit: did you see that you can actually dock windows now? So it's more like Studio One now. Holy shit. It only took them like 10 years for that one. Hopefully it's not only on the mac version.

Well PTHD can do that sort of thing on individual notes but the midi interface and rest fo the options are so terrible it's really not a viable option. Steinberg do tend to follow protools though in terms of function. Just look at elastic time - that function came to cubase a year after PTHD created it.

I'm going to be careful with what I say here but I can virtually guarantee that these new changes came as the direct request certain film score composer - in fact, nearly all the major changes in cubase over the last 10 years have come from that same source.

Here's more videos: http://www.musotalk.de/software/vid...ubase-6-update/

Some more new features I discovered from watching those videos:

- finally audio warp quantize (like Logic?)
- _finally_ some decent time stretching algos (elastique pro) - about fucking time steinberg
- holy shit, you can actually use note expression to modulate cutoff, resonance and all that shit! @cryo: watch the third video if you want to see how practical note expression can be
- much easier automation editing, still no spline tough...
- audio editing does seem more PT like

the bad:
- no multi out on instrument tracks
- freeze tracks have not changed aka are as useless as they always were
- I'm not seeing any new fx plugins

Overall, now that I informed myself better, I was kinda hoping more for v6.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Steinberg do tend to follow protools though in terms of function.

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Originally posted by vikernes Overall, now that I informed myself better, I was kinda hoping more for v6.

That's been my overall reaction - in many ways, it seems like a 5.x update, not a new version. If I was still a Cubase user, I'd be pretty disappointed.

I'll stick to C5 for the time being, at least until the inevitable bugs get ironed out.

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I'll stick to abletronz thanks. This looks a bit pointless. Who needs to modulate parameters on individual notes?? I can see the point maybe for large sample libraries like VSL, I'm sure in scoring you'd get some use out of this stuff to make the instruments sound more real. I don't think for electronic production it would be useful at all.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Steinberg do tend to follow protools though in terms of function. Just look at elastic time - that function came to cubase a year after PTHD created it.

Didn't logic have that first? And didn't ableton maybe have something to do with it? I remember back in the day you could get an add on for PT that gave you pitch independant time stretching from Serato or something, but I think everyone started to build in that sort of stuff after ableton came onto the scene.

Impressed with the individual note editing, but it does seem like it's a "finally you guys figured that one out." Was such a PITA to do everything separately, and as far as I remember, the pitch bend automations would effect all of the midi above it. Should lead to some cool innovation.

Other than that...looks like an upgrade to me as well, not a new version...

Shoulda called it cubase 5.5 or something.

$149 USD for Cubase 6 if you are upgrading from 4 or 5. Not too bad I guess but I think I'll be holding off for a while.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Translation: you'll be stuck using our wonderful bundled synths until 3rd party developers rush out and make their synths VST3.5-compatible. And, we all saw how quickly they jumped on VST3 compatibility.

No, you just won't be able to get those particular features until/unless they update. They're not breaking back-compat.

How is this any different from the move to 64-bit architectures? If you've got 6 gigs worth of samples to load, guess what, you need a 64-bit sampler, having a 64-bit OS and computer isn't enough.

I'm not saying that I'm wetting my pants over Cubase 6, because I'm not; but you can't blame Steinberg for the fact that developers and/or their managers in the consumer/prosumer production world are lazy, incompetent boobs who spend 80% of their time working on highly-punitive "piracy prevention" initiatives that harass legitimate customers and make it more pleasant to deal with cracked versions even when you actually paid.

At least Steinberg is out there trying to innovate. If other companies won't follow their lead then vote with your wallet; demand that they support the new standards before you'll pay for upgrades or for any new software from them.

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Originally posted by DigiNut but you can't blame Steinberg for the fact that developers and/or their managers in the consumer/prosumer production world are lazy, incompetent boobs who spend 80% of their time working on highly-punitive "piracy prevention" initiatives that harass legitimate customers and make it more pleasant to deal with cracked versions even when you actually paid.

Oh yes, QFT. They really put the dong in dongle.

Ordered a Yamaha KX61 because it came bundled with Cubase 4 AI...My pc hated it so much that I ended up having to faff around with tech support for at least a week before I got it functional. (Win7 64 bit)

And even then it's buggy as shit and the yamaha drivers make my USB ports emo from time to time.

And the moral of that story? A cracked version of Cubase 5 ran flawlessly without any effort whatsoever...Not to say I kept it, but more of a proof of concept kinda thing...(Upgraded via student package for $249.99, so not all that bad)

Quite dumb of them to say "Hurrr, it's uncrackable," because sure enough...

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Originally posted by DigiNut [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#99CCEE]No, you just won't be able to get those particular features until/unless they update. They're not breaking back-compat.

Well, that's exactly what I meant - I was speaking in the context of the new expression features. Of course you'll still be able to use any other VST/2/3 compatible plugins. It would be suicide for them if they didn't.

No doubt Cubase is very guilty with respect to intrusive copy protection, but compared to some companies (Native Instruments, I'm lookin' at you), they're actually pretty tame. At least you can resell the software and it doesn't phone home every 10 seconds.

Audio companies don't seem to have gotten the message yet that people are only willing to pay for a compelling product. Oppressive activation schemes won't prevent piracy; offering something unique instead of a clone of all the other 5000 soft-synths on the market (like, say, supporting the new VST standard) will.

Maybe I need to quit my day job and start developing audio software. But it'd probably just get pirated anyway.

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Originally posted by DigiNut No doubt Cubase is very guilty with respect to intrusive copy protection, but compared to some companies (Native Instruments, I'm lookin' at you)

?? I've never had a problem with it since I first got it working... And as far as I know it doesn't phone home...

Every time I've dealt with NI they've been really good actually, given me new activation keys, sorted me for free upgrades etc... Pretty awesome IMO.

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