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Metallic Sound Effect

Hi, I asked about this on another forum but I didn't get a good answer so I'll ask here.

I'm trying to figure out how to produce a certain sound effect on instruments. A good example can be heard on the following song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFhB8brEBLs

The opening bass has a metally sound to it. Also, there is a sound effect that sounds like a white noise panning left to right that seems to have the same effect applied to it.

What effect produces this noise, is it a flanger? When I use a flanger the sounds "moves" and I can't really get the sound I want. Any advice is greatly appreciated

yo,

Well reverb alone can give you a metallic sound man. i use FL studios so i usually use the reverb2. put the low cut up a little, take more of the high cut out. change the room size to the smallest then take the high damping and dec parameters and play around till you get the desired effect. This however is only one way to get a metallic sound. play around with the presets of the delays and phazers until you note a metallic sound and play around with the parameters till you know what you want. the best way to figure this stuff out (aside from someone showing you or tutorials) is to mess around.


VP

Cool, thanks VP. I also use FL Studio. I never thought to use reverb (clearly, I'm a noob). I'll throw the reverb2 on an instrument and see what i can do. Thanks for the pointers!

take fruity delay 2, set the time to very low 0:01 - 0:10. Increase feedback volume and input volume to about 75%.. play around with the settings... one way of doing it.

WASP is a good synth to use to try to get that sound.. try a square wave and play around with the pw setting

Don't have time to listen to your clip but flangers, Resonators, Short Delays and ring modulation are all ways to create metallic sounds.

EDIT: I see you've already tried the Flanger... You can get static ones too, what's causing the moving is just an LFO attached to the delay parameter of the flanger. You can get flangers where you can disable that LFO. I think ableton has one, what DAW are you using?

there is an effect called Metalizer which does exactly that, i got it on a pack of effects, the reverb,delays etc... does the same but be careful about that because the metalic effect are indeed ~15khz sounds...

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Originally posted by J.L. take fruity delay 2, set the time to very low 0:01 - 0:10. Increase feedback volume and input volume to about 75%.. play around with the settings... one way of doing it. WASP is a good synth to use to try to get that sound.. try a square wave and play around with the pw setting

Thanks, I tried this and definitely got a metalic effect! I still can't seem to get the sound in Tyas' song though. I'll keep tweeking and see what I can do.

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Originally posted by kitphillips Don't have time to listen to your clip but flangers, Resonators, Short Delays and ring modulation are all ways to create metallic sounds. EDIT: I see you've already tried the Flanger... You can get static ones too, what's causing the moving is just an LFO attached to the delay parameter of the flanger. You can get flangers where you can disable that LFO. I think ableton has one, what DAW are you using?

I'm using FL Studio. A static flanger would be great! Can you recommend one that I can use in FL?

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos there is an effect called Metalizer which does exactly that, i got it on a pack of effects, the reverb,delays etc... does the same but be careful about that because the metalic effect are indeed ~15khz sounds...

I tried googling Metalizer but I got some strange results. Can you provide a link or maybe tell who makes it?

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Originally posted by DayTrader I tried googling Metalizer but I got some strange results. Can you provide a link or maybe tell who makes it?

I don't know who is the manufacturer but virtual dj has a plugin for this, i think you can use them on a DAW too.

metal.dll
MetalSweep.dll


However tell me the specific seconds of that track (one of my favourites from this last years ) and i can tell you if this effects are suitable for that or not.

The effect seems to be applied to the bassline (or maybe it's not really a bassline - Damn, I'm a noob) which starts at the 2 second mark. Also, the noise that starts at the same time - it's a stuttering air noise that pans from right to left. It starts right at the beginning of the song, after the opening noise. Maybe "metallic" isn't the proper way to describe it, but both of these instruments sound like they're playing in a metal tunnel, at least to my ears.

P.S. This is also one of my favorite tracks!

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Originally posted by DayTrader The effect seems to be applied to the bassline (or maybe it's not really a bassline - Damn, I'm a noob) which starts at the 2 second mark. Also, the noise that starts at the same time - it's a stuttering air noise that pans from right to left. It starts right at the beginning of the song, after the opening noise. Maybe "metallic" isn't the proper way to describe it, but both of these instruments sound like they're playing in a metal tunnel, at least to my ears. P.S. This is also one of my favorite tracks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTvIYWEpuIA

Check the start of this, similar noise? This are indeed hats, i can tell you how i did this on Fl Studio if this is what you look for, with different settings should sound like Tyas.

yo,

So i think you are talking about the synth that is offset with the kick right? You could prob use the wasp or sytrus for this. To me it sounds like a saw/square wave module with the release up more. Then a little small roomed Reverb and some Delay to full in the background.

For the second more airy noise. Try taking the 3xosc to make the airy sounding noise, then add a flanger or phaser for the pitch lfo modulating. Then export as a mp3 or wave or whatever you prefer and import it under the audio clips and chop it up.

This might not be the simplest way for a person who is green witht he DAW but you will get the hang of it man


VP

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTvIYWEpuIA Check the start of this, similar noise? This are indeed hats, i can tell you how i did this on Fl Studio if this is what you look for, with different settings should sound like Tyas.

I'm not sure if it's the same sound, but very nice work on the track my friend! I think the sound in Tyas' song is not hats. It's sounds like air to me, but I could be totally wrong.

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Originally posted by Von Pistol yo, So i think you are talking about the synth that is offset with the kick right? You could prob use the wasp or sytrus for this. To me it sounds like a saw/square wave module with the release up more. Then a little small roomed Reverb and some Delay to full in the background. For the second more airy noise. Try taking the 3xosc to make the airy sounding noise, then add a flanger or phaser for the pitch lfo modulating. Then export as a mp3 or wave or whatever you prefer and import it under the audio clips and chop it up. This might not be the simplest way for a person who is green witht he DAW but you will get the hang of it man VP

Yes, it's the synth that is offset with the kick. I'm not so much wanting to emulate that synth, but I like the metallic effect that it has on it and I think it would sound cool on some of my synth sounds.

As for the airy sound, I make this sound in 3xocs often, and I use the lfo on volume to make it stutter. It sounds cool but the sound is too basic I think, which is why I think a metallic effect would spice it a up a little. I managed to get a decent metal effect using the short-timed delay. I think if I play with it some more I can get it to sound nice. I'll try again with the flanger and some phaser also just to see what i can do.

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Originally posted by DayTrader I'm not sure if it's the same sound, but very nice work on the track my friend! I think the sound in Tyas' song is not hats. It's sounds like air to me, but I could be totally wrong.

I think it all depends on the background, well there are 2 sounds playing one is constant and i think that is some kind of bassline, the other i'm pretty sure that was done with a similar technique to what i used.

Since it's quite easy i will explain it to you:

It's a simple Hi hat 4x4 pattern but with a Fruity Flangus applyed and an automation of Stereo Delay on a Send panning up and down, there you have that metalic sound, the Tyas sound is more polished however but getting to this levels is difficult, despite what some people say Sean Tyas is a good producer.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos I think it all depends on the background, well there are 2 sounds playing one is constant and i think that is some kind of bassline, the other i'm pretty sure that was done with a similar technique to what i used. Since it's quite easy i will explain it to you: It's a simple Hi hat 4x4 pattern but with a Fruity Flangus applyed and an automation of Stereo Delay on a Send panning up and down, there you have that metalic sound, the Tyas sound is more polished however but getting to this levels is difficult, despite what some people say Sean Tyas is a good producer.

ahh very nice. i just tried it and it sounds very cool! thanks for the help.

FM synthesis. Very hard to achieve sounds like that with subtractive synthesis.

yo,

Ya i tried the short timed delay too on some diff synths, its works pretty good(sick call).

As for Sean Tyas ya he makes some bangin tunes however i recently saw him live and let me just say he need to work on his DJ skills for sure

His cds even skipped..

VP

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Originally posted by a98 FM synthesis. Very hard to achieve sounds like that with subtractive synthesis.

I can barely use a subtractive synth, so this is a bit beyond me right now

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Originally posted by Von Pistol yo, Ya i tried the short timed delay too on some diff synths, its works pretty good(sick call). As for Sean Tyas ya he makes some bangin tunes however i recently saw him live and let me just say he need to work on his DJ skills for sure His cds even skipped.. VP

Wow his CD skipped? That's gotta be embarrassing. But yea he does make some banging tunes. I can't speak on his production or DJ skills because I'm not qualified to do so, but as a listener, I really enjoy his tracks!

it's not the first time i heard that ST's is awful in his sets, the rumours say that he is full on acid during his sets, something i strongly believe seeing his face at the end of the night.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos he is full on acid during his sets

maybe that's what my music has been lacking

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