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some newbie's question.
halo.....as i started to practice,i found some problems..
plz give me a hand... 
1.my mixer is getting pretty "Hot" after 1~ 2 hours practice,is that normal?
2.i am using hd25 headphone. and after i wear it for 10 mins.
my ear area feel a lot of pressure...not too comfortable!
anyone else have the same problem?
3.beatmatching is actually match the drum right?
and my question is,i can hear the drum sound at begining very clearly
but when song plays to middle part, sometime i am getting confuse if what i hear is the drum sound or bass sound, is that my hearing problem? or my speaker sux?
1. i have NEVER heard of a mixer getting hot. my best guess is that it isn't too good. generally when electronics equipment gets hot = bad.
2. yea, it happens, eventually your ears will be numb to it.
3. could be both, after a while you will get used to picking out the drum. thats all im going to say about that becauise there are billions of beatmatching threads.
chhers, caleb
1. Yes, its normal, the circuits tend to get a bit hot sometimes, not something to worry about.
Every mixer does it.
2. Yes
3. You will learn to seperate the two as you will get better at mixing.
I'd say it depends on how hot it gets
the more you spin the better you will become at picking out the bass in the tracks! itll just take time to get use to all of the different things happening in the song at the same time! stick with it though 
If you get lost hearing the drum/bass a good way might be to turn down the bass and mids and beatmatch it using the high hat.
alright.i'll just keep practice practice and practice....
but the headphone is really uncomfortable!! 
1. Mixers get hot because of the resistors in them produce a lot of heat. This is perfectly normal until the mixer gets too hot to touch. Make sure that you are not in a very hot atmosphere to begin with and give your mixer breathing room. Put a fan on it if necissary.
2. Do you wear glasses? I do and taking off my glasses helps reduce the pain around my ears, though the only solution is to get headphones that don't press on your ears that much. Try extending the cups out as far as they will go and put the head rest on the back of your neck.
3. Beatmatching is matching the beat of the song and therefore the bass beat is what you want to match. I agree that it's hard to tell if the bass is matched when you are midway into the track, so use the hi-hats and the other instruments to tell if you are beatmatched when in the middle of the song. Most of the time you just need a little push in one direction or the other. Also, you're next step after learning how to beatmatch, whill be phrasematching. You can count most trance songs with 1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4 etc. Phrase matching, is basically, making beat 1 of song 1 match beat 1 of song 2 etc. There is more too it than that, but it will get you started.
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| Originally posted by teatea alright.i'll just keep practice practice and practice.... but the headphone is really uncomfortable!! |
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| Originally posted by Sinonick teatea, why dodn't you give up? can't you see there is no way of getting good at this? for god's sake, GIVE UP (and hand over your techs to me... this would save you time + money for records (+i'd be grateful) see teatea? that's what friends are for |
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| Originally posted by Dj Flesch 1. Mixers get hot because of the resistors in them produce a lot of heat. This is perfectly normal until the mixer gets too hot to touch. Make sure that you are not in a very hot atmosphere to begin with and give your mixer breathing room. Put a fan on it if necissary. 2. Do you wear glasses? I do and taking off my glasses helps reduce the pain around my ears, though the only solution is to get headphones that don't press on your ears that much. Try extending the cups out as far as they will go and put the head rest on the back of your neck. 3. Beatmatching is matching the beat of the song and therefore the bass beat is what you want to match. I agree that it's hard to tell if the bass is matched when you are midway into the track, so use the hi-hats and the other instruments to tell if you are beatmatched when in the middle of the song. Most of the time you just need a little push in one direction or the other. Also, you're next step after learning how to beatmatch, whill be phrasematching. You can count most trance songs with 1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4 etc. Phrase matching, is basically, making beat 1 of song 1 match beat 1 of song 2 etc. There is more too it than that, but it will get you started. |
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| Originally posted by Sinonick teatea, why dodn't you give up? can't you see there is no way of getting good at this? for god's sake, GIVE UP (and hand over your techs to me... this would save you time + money for records (+i'd be grateful) see teatea? that's what friends are for |
1. yup mixers can get pretty warm, but that's perfectly normal (electronics produce heat). Unless you are getting burns, don't get alarmed
2. Hd-25's tend to have quite a lot of pressure when they are new. If you want to reduce that, I suggest you place the phones over a pretty big round object for a certain amount of time (one night or so). I used my bubble gum dispenser (hell yeah I got one). You can use a ball or something like that...
3. Like others said, there are different methods of beatmatching. But one advice I may give you, for once try to match tunes by highats and other high tones...
Why I can think of two important reasons.
1) those high tones are usually very short sounds compared to drumkicks. It gives you more precision that way (you don't have to cope with those large reverberated drumkicks anymore for example).
2) the music we spin is usually in a 4/4 measure. Techno, house, trance even drum and bass is 4/4. But not all those styles have consistent "4 to the floor" beats. Just think of d&b. Hihats and alike usually stay consistant (exceptions are there to confirm the rule of course). Just compare different styles, you'll see. By using hihats for matching, you'll have a consistent method of beatmatching.
A lot of guys that were used to mixing 4 to the floor music told me they had probs switching over to d&b. Well not when you use the hihats. It's no difference at all.
I won't tell you to do it, I just give my advice. It works for me, it might work for you, or not.
I'm of the opinion that the method doesn't import (wether you using drums or hi's for matching, TT's, cdplayers or mp3's), as long as the result is there, the crowd will be happy.
Re: some newbie's question.
1. some mixers get a bit warm - just make sure any case vents are not blocked! what mixer, anyhow??
2. headphones get tiring on the head after a while... i try to keep them as loose as possible.. but you will adjust to this!
3. beatmatching is beatmatching. it doest mean match the bass, match the drum, etc etc... it means match the beats. it is easiest to match on the drum, because it's loud, distinct, and in 4 on the floor trance/house, it is the beat. however, as you get better, you'll learn how to beatmatch tracks during the breakdowns where there are no beats... or if you start spinning dnb and/or breaks, you'll learn to mix on the highhats.
when i beatmatch i tend to concentrate on the drums and/or bassline as a starting point, but its important to listen to the full spectrum of the music when making your final corrections - to make sure not only the drums sound matched, but the bassline, highhats, and melody is also as close as possible... perfectly beatmatched on the drums doesnt mean the bassline and/or highhats will always be matched............
-mer
yup dj thy and meridian are right. You have to match the tempo and phase... this means you don't have to match the bass, the drum or precussion..... you have to match all of them 
resistors do get warm but when you start smelling stuff like burning circuit components, (you will know when you smell it) you are in trouble.
As far as headphones . . .maybe you got big ears?
Lastly, about beatmatching, you can also beat match with the highs if the bass is too complicated.
ohh a tip about the headphone problem.....
put it hanging around the neck and push one of the cups up against your ear with your shoulder (like they often do on the trancemovies out there)
check the picture i have included in the post with jean....i think it explains it a little bit better......either you can do as he is and hold it with one hand or you can push it up there with your shoulder like i mentioned before...the last one is good coz it makes you have both hands free
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| Originally posted by Dj Thy . Like others said, there are different methods of beatmatching. But one advice I may give you, for once try to match tunes by highats and other high tones... Why I can think of two important reasons. |
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| Originally posted by teatea hi dj thy and MERiDiAN5i2, cau u explain a little bit more on highats? what is that? and thanx u all for the helps |
What a pathetic attempt in explaining. Anyway hope that helps.
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| Originally posted by Alccode Highats are the drum instruments that provide that "tss" sound on every other beat (usually). I don't know how else to describe it without providing a sample (which I can't right now). Umm let me try this - you know how some [stupid] people describe dance music by the "UN tss UN tss UN tss" sound? Well the highats are the "tss". What a pathetic attempt in explaining. Anyway hope that helps. |
let me give it a try on explaining:
listen to a trance song about a minute before the end. notice the bass kicks. (bass kicks are those that sound like when you kick you desk). it goes: bang bang bang bang. try kick the desk at the beat of the song...
you might notice a sound between those kick that sounds like: tsss tsss tsss tsss tsss.
the song goes like: bang tsss bang tsss bang tsss bang tsss
the tsss sound are the snares/highhats!
another pathetic way to explain...
tsss! I love that sound!
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| Originally posted by Sinonick let me give it a try on explaining: listen to a trance song about a minute before the end. notice the bass kicks. (bass kicks are those that sound like when you kick you desk). it goes: bang bang bang bang. try kick the desk at the beat of the song... you might notice a sound between those kick that sounds like: tsss tsss tsss tsss tsss. the song goes like: bang tsss bang tsss bang tsss bang tsss the tsss sound are the snares/highhats! another pathetic way to explain... |
thanx busy child and Sinonick !
i am going to listen if i could hear that "tss tss" sound now
and do any of u guys know any web site that teach u dj stuffs?like beatmatching...etc...
i know 2 already.
recess.co.uk and /music.hyperreal.org/d
any others except that 2?
for more tutorials check this thread:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...?threadid=57450
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