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how to get better the sound

hello ,
i want to get better sound from my setup (home use)

setup:

Behringer B2030a X2
vestax pmc 15mk2
2X pdx 2000 mk2 pro
computer (onboard soundcard)

now all connected to the mixer
2 lines phono
1 line computer ( just to hear music from the computer)

should i buy sound card to get better sound from my computer ?
and how i get better sound from my all setup

thanks!

Behringer is cheap stuff but to get better sound you would need to invest a lot on gear, you can change your drives and start using asio4all just in case your sound card drives are crap.

Most probably you've listened a set from a big star and you think "wow this sounds awesome"

First of all they receive a lot of promo cds in wav format, wav sounds slightly better than an mp3 but don't start buying wavs instead of mp3 because it's pointless.

What they do is filter the master with compressors, limiters, filters and they get that bright sound. They get a bright sound with zero dinamics....

In lieu of making major changes to your gear, I'd look into an external sound card. It'll prob make your sound sound better than an inboard laptop card.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos Behringer is cheap stuff but to get better sound you would need to invest a lot on gear, you can change your drives and start using asio4all just in case your sound card drives are crap. Most probably you've listened a set from a big star and you think "wow this sounds awesome" First of all they receive a lot of promo cds in wav format, wav sounds slightly better than an mp3 but don't start buying wavs instead of mp3 because it's pointless. What they do is filter the master with compressors, limiters, filters and they get that bright sound. They get a bright sound with zero dinamics....

Instead of making all of these know-it-all assumptions about the OP and how they came to the conclusion that they needed "better sound", how about just asking them what they mean by "better sound" and going from there?

And Behringer may be inexpensive, but as I've mentioned before, a lot of their equipment delivers very good bang for the buck.

apart from making the most pointless post so far you just show you are a prick who wants to argue, i could quote yourself on several post ranting about how bad Behringer's sound quality is.

The only piece of Behringer kit I've slighted in these forums is the DDM4000, which the OP does not own.

So again, how about simply asking the OP what they mean by "better sound", rather than typing out a bunch of presumptive uselessness that allows you to continue to bask in the perceived glory of your own words?

what can you suggest apart from improve your gear?¿ i am even receiveing pms about this topic and everybody wants to sound like ASOT, Tiestos Clublife and so on, you can have a 6000$ worth equipment and the best external soundcard and it won't sound the same because of the final tuning of the mixes.

How about just asking the OP what they mean by "better sound"?

analog. sidechain.

better sound means less equipment, if you want the best you have to go with the cheapest

I dont see any SL1210 in your list. thats a must for good sound. analog vinyl sounds better than anything, if you do a search around here ud find out.

analogue > digital

Another thing that could help with better sound is your cables. rca, xlr, usb, firwire, etc. Typical store bought down right cheap cables can actually ruin the overall sound.

Before investing heavily in other gear, I would start with cables first. Behinger works fine. We use their products in live sound applications quite often, and it does get the job done. It may not be the Rolls Royce of gear, but it works.

i agree on cables, somtimes the jack is losy and you get noises and my opinion about behringer is what it has been being my opinion for all this time. Works fine specially for it's cost.

About wires gold cables are the best, but obviously aren't worth for the improvement they involve.

Analog sidechain

and lasers, lots of lasers.

lets start with the easiest and cheapest improvement - do you have your speakers placed correctly? Ideally they should be at ear level, and for an equilateral triangle with the 2 speakers and your head.

Are your needles in decent condition? Are running your levels not too high? ie not always in the red.

After those sort of things you'd be looking at spending money. Better soundcard if using the computer as a source, or for recording. Better monitors. The behringers are very good for the price, but spending more will move it to another league

Don't forget the ponies

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Originally posted by djkatmaus Another thing that could help with better sound is your cables. rca, xlr, usb, firwire, etc. Typical store bought down right cheap cables can actually ruin the overall sound. Before investing heavily in other gear, I would start with cables first. Behinger works fine. We use their products in live sound applications quite often, and it does get the job done. It may not be the Rolls Royce of gear, but it works.

Dude, the only difference between cheap cables and expensive cables is the price.

There will be no difference in sound quality no matter what cables you use.

This has been tested to death (deaf).

Love how the serious input continues, even though there hasn't been a single response from the OP since they started this thread.

This thread is now about llamas:



Of course llamas only work well when outfitted with Monster Cables.

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Originally posted by chewy dragee Dude, the only difference between cheap cables and expensive cables is the price. There will be no difference in sound quality no matter what cables you use. This has been tested to death (deaf).

Actually there is a difference. Trust me. It's in the quality build of the cable. A store bought Hosa or the cheapy ones that are supplied with gear (red and white connector ones) aren't gonna have the quality of a Van Damm, or a Mogami.

If you'd like, I could provide you with charts which show resistance and noise ratio.

it won't make a difference when you are broadcasting your mix at 192 mp3 format. A wire is a wire is a wire. SPending more than 20$ on a cable is a little silly especially for this purpose.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad it won't make a difference when you are broadcasting your mix at 192 mp3 format. A wire is a wire is a wire. SPending more than 20$ on a cable is a little silly especially for this purpose.

It's not the broadcast of the audio you need to worry about. It's the noise that is associated with the material and build of the cable. How well the cable can reduce unwanted noises? I've listened to many recordings before where the audio had anamolies due to poor cable designs. You can't always distinguish from the human ear aspect, but when you run it through analyzing sources, you can see how much noise is introduced, before the audio level is present.

Digital cables (AES, IEC), I have found to be slightly better than their normal counterparts. But I've also found several cheaply made digital cables. Mostly because of the quality build. Lightpipe or Firewire I haven't seen much. But I have run across several poorly designed USB.

i could understand if you were running a 20 metre cable while recording a flute but dance music is pretty loud enough that the noise floor is really irrelevant. And if you really think you are getting noise which I doubt it, you can always easily cancel those types of continuous artefacts out with ease. YOu realize how much interference it would require to induce noise in a cable? The jacket is all that really matters. Wire is a wire. The physics is rather simple.

http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1790/
http://audiojunkies.com/forum/blog/...able-myths.html

What do you think the average dynamic range of EDM is ? Shit most of the stuff I hear has an rms value of -6 dBfs. There is no way that noise will interfere with a signal that hot.

There are links around concerning how to master a mix. I would try to automate the volumes as much as you can, if the offending audio is part of the "mix", compression, rather multiband compression can help take the overall level without totally killing the bass. Again you cam automate these plugins on and off for when you need them.

I would also use a MB compressor as a general EQ setting for the entire mix just to give a slight coherency to the entire thing. But be very subtle. OF course if you don't know what these tools are , I would experiment alot before as they can royally fuck up your mix.

I suppose the trick is to isolate the problems as much as you can. If it is just one track that has blaring highs, EQ that portion, not the whole file. The quality of mastering on tracks has really gone down so some people might say just leave it, I don't see the problem if you need to adjust a few things to make things more cohesive.

The more careful you are, the less work you will have to do. Also, check the rms level of each track prior to mixing so you have an idea of what to expect.

I'm primarily looking at it from the install, live sound applications where cable has to survive for long periods of time. From a dj standpoint, you could stick with the red and white RCA guys, but if you're constantly plugging and unplugging them, eventually they can go bad. The other problem I've found is the interconnection between let's say a cdj to 800. What's the resistance of noise of the two pieces gear and how much resistance or noise is carried between the two via the cable.

A few weeks ago, a friend of mine finished up installing his home studio. Afterwards he found several inputs from studio were noisy. Originally most of this was due to his power source. Once we isolated the power problem, we went back and still found noise. I went in and swapped out some of his cable to a twisted pair with a braided shield. What I found was the noise was reduced greatly. Some noise is still present, but not as bad. I have to go through the patch bays and his analog out board gear next cause that's the last place to look.

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