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Size of EDM market?

Does anyone have an idea as to the size of the electronic music industry?

I can find ample stats about how many albums Michael Jackson sold or Lady Gaga but none for the overall size of the EDM market.

Any sources would be great thanks =]

the problem is that actual and potential are so far apart.

Is it?

the average person has no idea where to buy dance music. They are stuck to listening to dj mixes.

everyone can type on google and buy music. EDM market isn't very big, if you try to download michael jackson's album you'll find problems to download a quality copy of it illegally, in edm is easier to find a 320kbps mp3 than a bad quality one.

On your local music stores you can have a shelve for edm, all will be filled but pseudo edm acts like Rihanna Lady Gaga or David Guetta and ocasionally some Armada/Ultrarecords compilation or album.

The rest of the store will be non edm music, in some stores is easier to find some obscure album of a estonian heavy metal band than a Ferry Corsten album.

Depends if you count lady gaga as EDM.

the problem is that they don't know what to buy because producers are hidden behind the dj. This is why I suggested djs have their tracks broadcasted on some screen. People want to buy it, they don't know where and they don't know what.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad the problem is that they don't know what to buy because producers are hidden behind the dj. This is why I suggested djs have their tracks broadcasted on some screen. People want to buy it, they don't know where and they don't know what.

i've always thought that clubs lack of a screen behind the dj with the tracklist of the show... now you have shazam to recognize the tracks but i don't know how accurate it is

The problem with Shazam and similar apps is that it is largely dependent on people who actually get paid to go out and find the newest and most hip/popular music. Which will almost never be EDM, but only the Lady Gaga's and Justin Biebers of this world.

Define market?

- market size? measured in
- revenue?
- committed airtime?
- ecosystem commerce?
- time spend by engineers?
- paid jobs in the genre?
- Podcast marketshare by genre?
- instrument / software / hardware manufacturers?

Not sure what you're after?

seems you can buy the information for $4000 dollars but is there no where its reported for free?

I found that in the UK in 2007 25% of all albums sold were dance compilations which was shocking.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos if you try to download michael jackson's album you'll find problems to download a quality copy of it illegally

I'd be willing to bet money that I could find a 320 kbps or even a FLAC version of his entire discography in a few minutes. It's definitely not easier to find random EDM tracks that have very little demand on their own compared to someone like MJ.

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Originally posted by Kysora I'd be willing to bet money that I could find a 320 kbps or even a FLAC version of his entire discography in a few minutes. It's definitely not easier to find random EDM tracks that have very little demand on their own compared to someone like MJ.

In comparison finding EDM is easy, Michael Jackson is completely hyped , would you expect to find a rock track from a completely unknown group on several sites the day it is released? Still i think you find easily an AvB album than an MJ album, type mirage in google all you'll be surrounded by tonelades of links pointing to russian,polsky or south american sites to download it. I've just tried with MJ and the first 5 results aren't what i am looking for.

^^^ Because the real measure of how big a market is, is how easily you can find piratable copies right?

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad the problem is that they don't know what to buy because producers are hidden behind the dj. This is why I suggested djs have their tracks broadcasted on some screen. People want to buy it, they don't know where and they don't know what.

Or you could always... You know, go and ask??

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos In comparison finding EDM is easy, Michael Jackson is completely hyped , would you expect to find a rock track from a completely unknown group on several sites the day it is released? Still i think you find easily an AvB album than an MJ album, type mirage in google all you'll be surrounded by tonelades of links pointing to russian,polsky or south american sites to download it. I've just tried with MJ and the first 5 results aren't what i am looking for.

maybe if all you're doing is searching the title of a song or album or the artist name or something, then yeah the only sites that'd actually match that search would likely be ones providing whatever it is you're trying to download.

still, searching "michael jackson discography torrent" in google came up with tons of download choices, simply because more people are willing to seed it. not so many people are willing to seed random EDM tracks that aren't very popular on their own. that's my point. though like kit said, it's irrelevant either way.

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Originally posted by Kysora maybe if all you're doing is searching the title of a song or album or the artist name or something, then yeah the only sites that'd actually match that search would likely be ones providing whatever it is you're trying to download. still, searching "michael jackson discography torrent" in google came up with tons of download choices, simply because more people are willing to seed it. not so many people are willing to seed random EDM tracks that aren't very popular on their own. that's my point. though like kit said, it's irrelevant either way.

Torrent wise always the mainstream will win, you can't get an unfamous film from torrent or p2p while you can get last harry potter film within 2 hours since thousands of people are seeding.

While if you type XXX zippyshare you'll find it instantly on 320kbps, when you type a track zippyshare is always suggested lol

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Originally posted by kitphillips ^^^ Because the real measure of how big a market is, is how easily you can find piratable copies right? Or you could always... You know, go and ask??

ask who ? the dj ? good luck. The point is that EDM sales are aimed at djs not, laymen. Producers also suffer this fate, instead of reaching of to the normal person, they pigeon whole their sales to pretty much a small portion of people ie djs.

old edm aimed to djs (vynil) now more than a half of the sales are just for listeners

you are mistaken. Beatport has stated their target audience are djs. It isn't aimed at listeners.

i know a lot of people who buy on beatport, i know less djs than listeners, there are less djs than listeners so in conclussion i think listeners download more from beatport.

Population = 6000 million. Dj Population... 1 million?

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos old edm aimed to djs (vynil) now more than a half of the sales are just for listeners

so wrong. old edm aimed at themselfs. they did it for fun/therapy/expression. why do you think the first edm songs are not dj friendly? and with complex structures? its because it was not aimed at the djs but a direct reflection of the artists mind.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos i know a lot of people who buy on beatport, i know less djs than listeners, there are less djs than listeners so in conclussion i think listeners download more from beatport. Population = 6000 million. Dj Population... 1 million?

you are wrong

What EDM labels should do is have their music in places where people can see the artist, scan the code and buy it on itunes in less than a minute. music is now an impulse buy just like a chocolate bar. People don't want to navigate and search. They want to hear something they like, then have it. There are so many ways to do this. I mean every clothing outlet either plays EDM or indie so why not have the track playing on a screen. I've been shopping hearing a song I liked and would of bought it but didn't know how.

Same with restaurants, same with clubs, same with TV shows. Beatport caters to a very small percentage of people. YOu need about 500 downloads to reach the top 10. do you know how fucking small that is ?

Itunes reached 10 billion downloads this year. Compare that to beatports average 3 million downloads. Not to mention Itune sales are growing exponentially especially since the iphone , ipod touch and ipad have monopolized the way people get music.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos i know a lot of people who buy on beatport, i know less djs than listeners, there are less djs than listeners so in conclussion i think listeners download more from beatport. Population = 6000 million. Dj Population... 1 million?

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