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What compressor do use use for side chain duties?

Ever since getting Cubase 5 I've always thought side chaining the standard compressor do give not all together satisfactory results. Can't seem to get that 'whack' on synths as the compressor ducks.

I feed the side chain with short percussive sounds and have tried many different impulses.

Sometimes I just draw volume curves without any compressor to get a side - chained type effect.

Also I find with mid basses some annoying mid clicky type sounds emmerge no matter how I adjust the attack or other controls.

Someone said I would be better with Camel Phatt. Any advice for me?

Re: What compressor do use use for side chain duties?

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Also I find with mid basses some annoying mid clicky type sounds emmerge no matter how I adjust the attack or other controls.

Can you change the circuit type on the compressor? A different type should solve this.

try to use the vintage compressor in Cubase has a bit different flavour. I now use Vengeance Sidechain, works perfect for me.

Waves API-2500 does it quite ok as well

Logics built in compressor with the Class A_U circuit type gives a nice pumping sound.

Can't help with Cubase (Logic's compressor is superb for sidechaining and most other tasks) but have you tried using a clap or a snare as the sidechain trigger). Shorter sounds can work better as a trigger, then it's just down to setting the release, attack and ratio to taste

I use Ableton Live's Compressor and it's been great so far, easy to use and get the hang of. I can't really help with the Cubase part, but in my experience its all about the ratio and the ammount. If there is a clicking sound on the bass then change the attack in the sampler according to the ratio in the compressor and you should hit a sweet spot.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Can't help with Cubase (Logic's compressor is superb for sidechaining and most other tasks)

Took the words right off my keyboard. Like RANN said, try something with with a shorter, sharper transient.

Re: What compressor do use use for side chain duties?

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Originally posted by Richard Butler I feed the side chain with short percussive sounds.

Re: What compressor do use use for side chain duties?

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Ever since getting Cubase 5 I've always thought side chaining the standard compressor do give not all together satisfactory results.

I use the Cubase compressor and have no problems getting it to sound the way I want it to. It can pump as hard as you want, it's all in the settings you use.

I feed the compressor with a separate sidechain input, which is turned all the way down. The signal is sent to the relevant sidechain channel(s), at 0dB (pre-fader, naturally).

Then set the amount of pump and timing with the compressor's controls. If you want that heavily pumping, offbeat style sidechain, set a high ratio and simply use the "hold" control to position the sound to come in in time with the offbeat. To get even more of an effect, lower the threshold on the compressor.

well said derail the standard cubase sidechain is spot on ..i think it could be your not puting the pre-fader on i had that problem when i switched to cubase recently from ableton

Re: What compressor do use use for side chain duties?

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Ever since getting Cubase 5 I've always thought side chaining the standard compressor do give not all together satisfactory results. Can't seem to get that 'whack' on synths as the compressor ducks. I feed the side chain with short percussive sounds and have tried many different impulses. Sometimes I just draw volume curves without any compressor to get a side - chained type effect. Also I find with mid basses some annoying mid clicky type sounds emmerge no matter how I adjust the attack or other controls. Someone said I would be better with Camel Phatt. Any advice for me?

Tried tweaking the attack, release and knee? You probably want a harder knee and longer attack...

I've finally figured out how to do it nicely with FL's limiter, so no more automations or peak controllers or messing around. Still feels like the limiter just ducks it and doesnt pump it though, although with a bit of gain compensation I can get that feel almost.

My favourite compressor for sidechaining is actually Abletons compressor.

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Originally posted by Pagan-za My favourite compressor for sidechaining is actually Abletons compressor.

I love Ableton's compressor in Opto mode.

I just figured out the right settings for the compressor on the master channel so it pumps nicely now. That release curve gives me a nice groove. If I switch back to peak mode it just doesn't have the same kind of groove.

I love Logic's built-in compressor. My first channel in a track is always a 'Klopfgeist' instrument, that plays the same rythm as the kick, then I mute the output, and send it Bus 1. Then via the compressors I can sidechain by using Bus 1. Really nice.

I think any compressor can do the job perfectly, finding the right settings is the only thing you have to do really.

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Originally posted by DJMARK BRUTON well said derail the standard cubase sidechain is spot on ..i think it could be your not puting the pre-fader on i had that problem when i switched to cubase recently from ableton

Ha, I've always wondered what pre / post fader is all about.

What does it mean to me?

Do you start a project pre-fader, and then at some point switch to post - fader?

Live's built in one

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Ha, I've always wondered what pre / post fader is all about. What does it mean to me? Do you start a project pre-fader, and then at some point switch to post - fader?

Its referring to where the signal to be sent to the compressor comes from. Whether its based on pre fader levels or post fader. I like pre fader because then once its set, you can mix without having to go back and edit the sidechain threshhold. Theres also usually a pre-FX option as well, which is even better.

whatever compressors included in the daw im using.

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