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How to make a "raw" sound?

How can i make a track sound "rawer" and less clear in a good way? Im really bad at describing what i mean with raw sound but this was common in older trance and especially GOA music. I know it much depends on the sounds you choose but mixing wise i wanna know how to achieve that type of "old" sound which simply doesn't exist today.

Don't use as many hi hats and other high end percussion. Fewer effects, and fewer tracks in general. Also tape saturation.

Not sure I comprehend what sound that you're looking for, but I think that maybe you want some mild harmonic distortion? Have you tried a tape saturation effect?

little to no reverb and delay. As MJB mentioned, the more raw and upfront a sound is, the more space it takes therefore less sounds. Use a cabinet sim . distortion or saturator send on elements you want to thicken. Lowering the bit and sample rate works well on drums.

distortion

record it to tape and record it back. repeat ONE BILLION TIMES

pitching down the sounds make them sound a bit raw, vocoder & grain effects sometimes work well too

I suggest getting into FM sounds like in FM8. The fx and fm programming can get a lot of those dense dirty, but still relatively sharp and clear sounds. It really depends how you go about it.

But FM8 is great for that. I like a lot of "raw" sounds myself. More in the way that they resonate loud at low volumes and bring essential depth to a track.

yeah I think eq your sound then add distortion overdrive etc then eq again to take off unwanted added freqs is what I think your after. Also a cabinet sim like m4b suggested can really give you a nice crunch in your sounds

distortion works, together with gating your drumbus it works even better. RAW <> smooth (smooth is verbtails, tape saturation, tube emulation) try to stay away from these type of effects if you want a "raw" upfront sound

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Originally posted by Raphie RAW <> smooth (smooth is verbtails, tape saturation, tube emulation) try to stay away from these type of effects if you want a "raw" upfront sound

That's sorta what I was getting at in my post - I don't understand if he actually wants raw/in-your-face or "less clear in a good way", which, to me, implies smeared (e.g., ala saturation).

hardware compression -> analog tape

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Originally posted by cryophonik That's sorta what I was getting at in my post - I don't understand if he actually wants raw/in-your-face or "less clear in a good way", which, to me, implies smeared (e.g., ala saturation).

That's also how I read it - the "raw sound" common in older trance isn't the "raw/dry/in your face sound" heard today.

Your best bet to get those sounds would be to grab some of the hardware synths used on those tracks.

For the overall sound - in general I'd say do less EQ cutting so the instruments aren't as separated from each other. In general, use more reverb. Find drum samples which sound more like those used at that time. Every sound affects every other sound, so having modern sounding drums will mean the "raw sound" won't sound right in context.

As other people have said, tape saturation could work well. I don't know if distortion/overdrive will help (of course, it totally depends on what type of distortion/overdrive). In general though, distorting things isn't the way to get old style "raw but still quite clean" sounds.

Surely it's all about the samples you use more than anything?

Get some old school kicks, hats, etc.

Why do people start threads like these, then just disappear.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Why do people start threads like these, then just disappear.

They're probably busy working on shit and not fucking off on the internet

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Originally posted by meriter They're probably busy working on shit and not fucking off on the internet

Doubtful. If he was that busy, he wouldn't have posted such a basic/ambiguous question in the first place.

I think these free plugins can help this thread:

Camel Crusher http://www.camelaudio.com/camelcrusher.php
FerricTDS http://varietyofsound.wordpress.com...i-the-kvr-dc09/

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Originally posted by cryophonik Why do people start threads like these, then just disappear.

they found google.

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Originally posted by 112268 they found google redtube.

ftfy

WHAT I AM IMPLYING IS THAT THEY ARE BUSY MASTURBATING

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Originally posted by meriter WHAT I AM IMPLYING IS THAT THEY ARE BUSY MASTURBATING

That gives "raw" and "in your face" a whole different meaning.

what makes a track hardcore? samples of pornstars moaning.

very little distortion. but i would couple it with a tiny bit of flanger (maybe 5% mix with 15% feedback)

also if I'm interpreting your question right, a square wave should do the trick. i disagree with the statement about using less hi-hats. just don't make them as pronounced and keep your open hats simple and your snare/clap relatively thin. perhaps try to compress fewer things. definitely don't compress (or compress sparingly) your lead synth - that's a very recent thing, probably a result of every producer under the sun going to benno for engineering help.

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