How's this sound? (Completely Changed it)

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Posted by Seandroid on Mar-05-2011 08:19:

How's this sound? (Completely Changed it)

NEW:
Rumble - Preview (Revamp) by Seandroid

ORIGINAL:
Rumble - Preview (Update) by Seandroid

I'm trying something new for my new track, something that has more of a groove, with tech house influences but the electro style that I like.

I'm just looking for some opinions on how the groove is sounding so far. I've had complaints about some of my previous tracks lacking a "groove" but I think this one has an obvious bounce to it, I've felt that way in the past before though, so who knows.

Posted by Raphie on Mar-05-2011 08:41:

i guess you found the triplets quantize button BTW it's not really a "groove" it's more a "count" (as it's still ridigly quantized on the grid)
this is exactly how a lot of the happy harcore anthems were made in the 90'ties. now go experiment with dotted eights as well and tell us which u like better.

Posted by Seandroid on Mar-05-2011 08:58:

quote:
Originally posted by Raphie
i guess you found the triplets quantize button BTW it's not really a "groove" it's more a "count" (as it's still ridigly quantized on the grid)
this is exactly how a lot of the happy harcore anthems were made in the 90'ties. now go experiment with dotted eights as well and tell us which u like better.

Well, obviously I know what a triplet is, lmfao. I had a few inspirations for the track and I liked the triplet bounce that Deadmau5 uses in FML so I wanted to do something with a similar... well.... "groove."

When people say "IT NEEEDS MOAR OF A GROOVE LUZL" is... that what they're intending to say?

Posted by Raphie on Mar-05-2011 09:05:

Ok, here is what i do, when i want to grab a certain feel.

take a loop from a groove you like, let your daw define hitpoints, slice on the hitpoints and select something like "slices to groove" and then apply that on your own pattern.

A lot of this stuff is not found in the standard supplied templates, and it's often a lot of induvidual notes manually being shifted forward and backward a few ticks. Just "stealing" it from an existing loop and add it to your quantize template library is the easiest way. I spend last Christmas holiday just doing that, having now 10 quantize presets that translate perfectly over 8 or 16 measure percussion or bassline patterns, also often, the "groove" is that not all parts have the same shuffle applied, it's more the contrast between the parts.

Posted by Beatflux on Mar-05-2011 17:58:

quote:
Originally posted by Seandroid
Well, obviously I know what a triplet is, lmfao. I had a few inspirations for the track and I liked the triplet bounce that Deadmau5 uses in FML so I wanted to do something with a similar... well.... "groove."

When people say "IT NEEEDS MOAR OF A GROOVE LUZL" is... that what they're intending to say?

Listen to your reference track.

Posted by Seandroid on Mar-05-2011 18:08:

quote:
Originally posted by Beatflux
Listen to your reference track.

Uh yeah, it's a bass synth with a downward ramp LFO on triplets.

Posted by mathieu on Mar-05-2011 19:58:

What you've done is not really groove, its just quantizing the notes in a different way. If you wanna see groove, take a loop from a pack that you like and notice how the hits dont all fall flush on the grid.

Posted by Looney4Clooney on Mar-05-2011 20:10:

Posted by Scrittah on Mar-05-2011 21:04:

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney

Genius. My eyes have been opened.

Posted by Seandroid on Mar-05-2011 21:45:

Okay, thanks guys. I'll work on it, I see what you mean. It definitely does need more of a swing to it. I've been thinking about it and I have some ideas for what I want to do.

I'm at work right now but I'm going to work on it when I get home.

Posted by Beatflux on Mar-06-2011 00:19:

quote:
Originally posted by Seandroid
Uh yeah, it's a bass synth with a downward ramp LFO on triplets.

Swing and a miss. LOL

Posted by Seandroid on Mar-06-2011 01:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Beatflux
Swing and a miss. LOL

Uh...

It's triplets but they're sidechained to the kick...

Posted by sako487 on Mar-06-2011 01:41:

your kick is so loud compared to your bass

Posted by Subtle on Mar-06-2011 02:53:

You need some open hats in there, at least.

Posted by Seandroid on Mar-06-2011 04:40:

I've completely changed nearly everything, but I prefer this by a factor of a thousand.

Rumble - Preview (Revamp) by Seandroid

Posted by Subtle on Mar-06-2011 05:09:

sounds better but now you need some closed hats in it

Posted by sako487 on Mar-06-2011 09:19:

Still sounds like your bass is high passed. No where near the volume of your kick. Isolate your kick and bass and level them right

Posted by Raphie on Mar-06-2011 09:20:

sounds a lot better, would alternate the pitch of the last note in the loop though, so you get * **** * *** - * *** * ***_ (you know that i mean) which will make it a bit more ineresting. and yes, hat's (mucho of the grid..) Sako is right on the Bass though, not much going on in the <200hz area except for the kick

Posted by Seandroid on Mar-06-2011 09:26:

quote:
Originally posted by sako487
Still sounds like your bass is high passed. No where near the volume of your kick. Isolate your kick and bass and level them right

quote:
Originally posted by Raphie
sounds a lot better, would alternate the pitch of the last note in the loop though, so you get * **** * *** - * *** * ***_ (you know that i mean) which will make it a bit more ineresting. and yes, hat's (mucho of the grid..) Sako is right on the Bass though, not much going on in the <200hz area except for the kick

Yeah, I know about the bass, I've been focusing on getting the groove I want. Thanks guys.

Posted by evo8 on Mar-06-2011 13:00:

quote:
Originally posted by Seandroid
Yeah, I know about the bass, I've been focusing on getting the groove I want. Thanks guys.

some hats in there will help the groove, are you swinging the drums in that loop?