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Do u use hacked warez?

Since polls are anonymous and everybody is different I am very curious on how the warez against legal license distribution is here on TA.

There can be different drivers for people using warez, from not knowing if they want to keep using the product, to not wanting to invest money in SW full stop. also people who might want to be legal and limit themselves to using only shareware/freeware DAWs and VSTi's

Since ofcourse the poll can very easily be skewed by deliberately choosing certain answers, this is not what this poll is about. It's also not intended als a moral discussion, though most of you know I have a very clear view on this. So here we go, feel free to add thoughts to the discussion and see where this goes:

ugh (again?). no.

I buy software because i support developers
I buy software, because i want to be legit

In that order. Being legit is not so much a goal for me. but I feel bummed (just a bit) out when people download my music for free while I've been putting my heart and soul into it. I'd rather pay for something someone put genuine effort into than for the sake of having everything legal. Either way, in the end you are both supporting and legit .

I got my first cracked product yesterday funnily enough - a big well know fx and dynamics package but I uninstalled it this morning as it had bugs, most notibly when unfreezing a track it all went haywire.

the other day i downloaded a certain suite of plugins. basically it's just some filters, compressors and limiters. some people might see this as theft of $1699, but i see it slightly different. im more into the whole try-before-you-buy school, even though i have no intentions of buying it after i've tried it.
okay, im procuring the software illegally, but in most cases i install it, and test it out for a short period of time, then never use it again (tbh often i dont even come as far as installing them).

so i dont really see it as stealing, when im not making money of it, and the developers arent losing any money since they never had my business to begin with.

my daw is legit though, and most of my vsts too. at least the ones that appear on my releases.

ALFI IMHO interesting perspective: whether you're able to make money with it or not, there are loads of offerings in the world where people don't make money with, would you steal a hammer from B&Q, just because you have no intention to ever become a carpenter?

I can understand the try before buy thing though, but in fairness WAVES offers 30 days trails for their products and SSL even 3x 30 days. People who regulary buy software most of the time already won an iLok or eLicenser.

I think your last point, "was not intending to spend money with them anyway" is probably the most honest one. This can be for a lot of reasons, you don't REALLY like the product, or the product is too expensive for what it offers. But again, if both a legal demo period would suffice in order to determine that, right?

I think it's more a virtual / physical thing, where virtual doesn't feel as bad and because it can easily befound, it can't be THAT wrong, right?

yes, a fully functioning trial demo would be perfect for trying out software that you have no intentions of purchasing. but the demos ive found have mostly been of synths, not effects, and they are often very limited from the full product.
so imo, the developers are basically painting themselves into a corner with releasing rather obscure products at redunkulas prices.
i just wanna see if what they claim they can do sounds as good or not lol. if im impressed i'll buy, but often that's not the case.

so not only am i not costing them any business, if i am impressed i will very often preach their word aka free advertising thus generating profit for them, everybody wins etc.

as usual with polls theres an option lacking or two.

I buy software because I dont want any hassle. It works better, easier to get and install, support, upgrade etc etc. The + sides are many. the negative sides are nothing but money. And money is just paper. I had a cracked version of Reason, Ableton and Cubase my first year as a producer. I had so much trouble with all of them so i ended up deleting them and bought Reason. Since then I have upgraded Reason a few times and bought Ableton, and Logic too, and have no problems. I do not use VST or hardware at all so I save money there, the daws have everything needed included. For the same reasons, I bought a mac, less hassle. In these hectic times I dont have time for computing-problems.

edit: its also abit about the physical thing. when buying a DAW you get a box with a DVD, a licence in your name and a manual. You sort of own it as a thing you can put in your shelf. Many VSTs is just a downloadable shit. I dont buy mp3 either, its not physical. I did buy alot of CDs and Vinyl back in the day but now Im just streaming everything through Spotify and pay a membership yearly instead. The physical aspect matters to me, and was the reason i wanted to go hardware some time ago, with no luck lol.

Here's the thing. I'm 19, and don't have a lot of spending money. If I had absolutely no way of acquiring music software I'd likely not be making electronica. I'm not the target market of any software devs and if piracy didn't exist they wouldn't have seen a penny from me anyway.

I actually do plan on buying a legit copy of FL eventually, or maybe some other DAW, as the continuous updates I can't get do seem nice. I'd also buy a few VSTi's while I'm at it, especially if I ever start making any sort of money off of making music. I wouldn't like profiting off of cracked software, and I do prefer owning legitimate copies of software rather than cracked versions. Once I can afford it I'll be more than willing to pay for what I have now, but for now, fuck it, I'm 19 years old and can't justify spending hundreds of dollars on a hobby like this.

So, if nothing else piracy is helping them in this instance. I download everything pretty unapologetically now but eventually they'll see some money for it. Had piracy not been available, they'd never see that money anyway.

I'm flat broke, poor white trash but I either buy all my stuff or get it free, from KVR Audio. I used to use warez but something about that completely affected the creative process for me and I've simply done better with my own legit software than I ever did with warez. If it's something that works for other people, that's great, but there's something about the way I feel about myself when I'm using stuff which is ostensibly stolen that completely fucks the joy out of the process.








EDIT: Plus, I take a morphine-like sanctimonious comfort in resting assured that I am a better person than ALL of you!

if youre broke just use reaper and free vsts and samples. nothing wrong with that. sometimes i wish i did.

i have no idea why people get so mad at people using hacked software. The rage on gearslutz for this type of thing is palpable. You want to talk about people stealing, lets talk about all those banks that had to be bailed out with no strings attached. So much mispent anger. I think the people that get angry are just failed engineers that blame their failures on anything they can.

When I was in school , I used 95% hacked software. I could not afford it and nobody suffered. It isn't lost sales. THere are people that use it as a justification but what ever moral justification is something i'm not really privy to so there really is no reason to worry or get angry about it. It happens.

If you guys want to use stolen software - I'm not begrudging anyone here. But DO NOT try and take away my sanctimonious self-satisfaction for not doing so, nor should you besmirch me for hypocritically lording it over you, that I don't.







THAT would be a crime!

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I'm flat broke, poor white trash but I either buy all my stuff or get it free, from KVR Audio. I used to use warez but something about that completely affected the creative process for me and I've simply done better with my own legit software than I ever did with warez. If it's something that works for other people, that's great, but there's something about the way I feel about myself when I'm using stuff which is ostensibly stolen that completely fucks the joy out of the process.

There is something special about buying something, rather than download it. It's like this bond you share with the boxed cd, still in the plastic bag it came in, on the train back home from your vst-procuring trip to the big city.

get a room

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney get a room

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Originally posted by dj_alfi There is something special about buying something, rather than download it. It's like this bond you share with the boxed cd, still in the plastic bag it came in, on the train back home from your vst-procuring trip to the big city.

It's not really blind sentimentality. If there was a piece of software that was only available through download through a virtual point-of-sale, I'd still pay to get it. It's just more like there's something at the back of my mind telling me there's nothing to be - or that even can be - gained by using "stolen" stuff.

Having used stolen software, I used to justify it as a stepping stone solution - that when I had the money, be it through the shear force of talent and will or through success in other areas, I'd purchase the real deal and that I was just "borrowing" the software so I could be familiar with its features once I made the purchase. Still, there was always something which got in the way of me being able to use it the way I wanted to which just hasn't happened with software I've purchased. There was also a certain amount of chaos the studio seemed to attract, like some psychologically karmic manifestation which let the wrong people into my life, that simply hasn't happened since I stopped.

As I've said, I'm over trying to force people to behave according to the ideal for society I've fostered from my own beliefs. If people get money and riches I don't have from using stolen software, more power to them. For me, it's probably just a psychological lynch-pin that takes away from music production when I use warez. I can't sell anyone else on the satisfaction I derive from doing otherwise. I can only do it.

Here's my answer. And that doesn't even come close to matching the download-only software that I've got on my HD (yes, also all legitimately).

BTW, there are other ways of getting free software. If you are honest, knowledgeable, reputable, and reliable, many software developers will give you free/NFR versions in exchange for beta-testing.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker If you guys want to use stolen software - I'm not begrudging anyone here. But DO NOT try and take away my sanctimonious self-satisfaction for not doing so, nor should you besmirch me for hypocritically lording it over you, that I don't.

fuck it, you've earned it. me < you

another solution is to win remix comps.
theres always free software and mp3 in the prices.

how is the company making anymore money ? I don't see the issue. If you can't afford it, you can't afford it.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney how is the company making anymore money ? I don't see the issue. If you can't afford it, you can't afford it.

That's true for many people, but c'mon M4B, you're not stupid. We all know people who could easily afford the software that they rely on for music production (including many studios that are making money), but choose not to if the opportunity is there.

Re: Do u use hacked warez?

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Originally posted by Raphie It's also not intended als a moral discussion, though most of you know I have a very clear view on this.

Stop bullshitting, you know its going to turn into a moral discussion.

I bought Ableton Live 7, and then I upgraded to Suite 7. Big fucking mistake. Operator is okay, Sampler is the shit. The rest of them suck. It was honestly a waste of money. I would have rather just bought Sampler and called it a day with more money in my pocket.

So AiR releases Ableton 8.0.3 and there were a bunch of bugs in it. It wasn't because of a bad hack, it was Ableton who released a faulty glitchy product without actually testing the thing correctly. I felt bad for all of those suckers who put down money just to have the latest and greatest piece of crap version of Ableton.

H20 hacked Cubase and it apparently ran better because it circumvented the dongle. That kind of shit pisses me off. Dongles are just kind of a slap in the face for legit customers. "We don't trust you, and by the way: you can get our product more easily and cheaply if you just pirate it."

"If you don't support software, then the whole industry is going to disappear." I'm okay with that. Nowadays, everyone is fucking obsessed with the latest and greatest, and they don't get the most out of their tools. People are relying on new plug-ins to fuel their creativity which is kind of sad.

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Originally posted by cryophonik That's true for many people, but c'mon M4B, you're not stupid. We all know people who could easily afford the software that they rely on for music production (including many studios that are making money), but choose not to if the opportunity is there.

so the moral duty lies with the person. Why is that anyone else's business and why should you have to prove your moral standing buy not using it if you can't afford it. If you can be honest with yourself and follow your own set of morals, I don't see the harm. I find it incredibly ironic that this website doesn't seem to care about lets say iphone/ipad hacks and jailbroken software but pirating audio stuff is wrong.

and can we stop calling it theft.

well its Cubases own fault when using dongle lol - that shit is unacceptable, and asks for being hacked, even for paying customers. the same thing is happening with propellerhead now. I bought Record (cheap because I have Reason license) and that was a fucking waste of money too - that program is awful and I wonder what direction Reason/Record-propellerhead is taking by introducing dongle late in the 201 decade. I got so insecure about the whole thing that i tried to sell my Reason/Record licenses but that wasnt really easy as the combo is cheaper than i bought Reason for to start with. I still want to sell it as ive moved on to Logic and Ableton but now Reason 5 is out and my license is dated. Might as well wait for v6 and see if theyll merge the two programs and get rid of the dongle, i might upgrade then, but if not - fuck em. I love their instruments but thats about it.

edit: please dont make this a piracy thread in general. internet is still beta, stuff will be taken care of when we are too old to understand it. Apple dont have much problems with piracy. Why? Because its almost free and only run on their hardware. Good solution imo.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney so the moral duty lies with the person.

Agreed.

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