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Ableton automation question

Hey guys,

I know some of you use Live, so chances are you know how to achieve the following.
I have three different midi-tracks (see image below).
Is it possible to use an automation envelope in the first track, to automate a parameter in the second and third track? Maybe via Macros?
I know I can manipulate several parameters via Macros over the audio effect rack, but for this the effects need to be in the same track.
In my case, the effects are spread over two tracks.

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Re: Ableton automation question

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Originally posted by lay Hey guys, I know some of you use Live, so chances are you know how to achieve the following. I have three different midi-tracks (see image below). Is it possible to use an automation envelope in the first track, to automate a parameter in the second and third track? Maybe via Macros? I know I can manipulate several parameters via Macros over the audio effect rack, but for this the effects need to be in the same track. In my case, the effects are spread over two tracks. Image:

i dont think its possible but im not quite sure what you are trying to do?
Why dont you automate the parameter in the track itself rather than from a different track?

I'm layering two pads and it would be cool to just use one automation, for example to increase the cutoff for both of the pads without doing that in each track separately.

you can group them together and put a filter on the group.

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Originally posted by Nightshift you can group them together and put a filter on the group.

They're already grouped, so a filter would work on the group.
But I was hoping for a more universal approach, so I can modify some explicit parameters of the different synths/tracks (like with macros).

I think its possible with macros but you might have to make sure to arm both tracks to record, like with sylenth1 (using midi learn i linked the cutoff to a knob) if I arm two tracks of it to record at the same time then if i use the knob to change the cutoff it does it for both tracks and also any keyboard keys i press play from both channels. hope maybe thats some help

actually now that i think of it im not sure that will help you lol, im not really sure what you are trying to do, like have one automation control automation for multiple parameters? i think the best bet you're gonna get is puting a filter on the group or making an instrument rack with multiple plugins that way you can macro within the same channel

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Originally posted by Nightshift like have one automation control automation for multiple parameters?

yes

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Originally posted by Nightshift ... or making an instrument rack with multiple plugins that way you can macro within the same channel

Thanks man, I think that's a promising idea which I'll try next.

Edit: Ok, looks like this is what I need. The downside is, that I can't set the values for the send-channels separately for the instruments.
Or is there a way around that limitation?

cant you just set the midi with the automation out to your soundcard/mididevice out, put up a midicable between out and in on the device and put up your instruments to recieve midi from same midi channel input? should work nice. required a mididevice of course, but i guess you have midi on your soundcard?

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Originally posted by 112268 cant you just set the midi with the automation out to your soundcard/mididevice out, put up a midicable between out and in on the device and put up your instruments to recieve midi from same midi channel input? should work nice. required a mididevice of course, but i guess you have midi on your soundcard?

yeah, I have midi ports, but this approach seems a bit complicated tbh

its really not. i find it retarded that one cannot assign midi from one channel into a different channel in ableton though (should be able to recieve from any channel). please correct me if this is possible, but i dont think you would ask if it where. even Reason can do this.

yes you can but that's assuming all the CC's are the same for cut off, if he's using massive on channel 1 and the cut off is say 64 and he's using arturia on channel 2 and the cut off is 78 it won't work. instru chan or group is easiest

who wants to automate filters anyway, thats so 90s. use LFO instead.

a lot of trolls in production studio these days, i think this place is officially dead.

One of the devices on this page will do what you want for up to four different parameters. Only downside is that you need Max For Live if you don't have it already. You could also build something similar quite easily.

When I bought it I imagined using it primarily for audio, but I'm finding utility patches like that incredibly useful!

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 yes you can but that's assuming all the CC's are the same for cut off, if he's using massive on channel 1 and the cut off is say 64 and he's using arturia on channel 2 and the cut off is 78 it won't work. instru chan or group is easiest

1/it wouldn't make a difference because massive can assign CCs to any parameter.
2/ even if you were using a synth without midi learn, you could use the midi learn feature in ableton and run the automation through there.

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Originally posted by 112268 its really not. i find it retarded that one cannot assign midi from one channel into a different channel in ableton though (should be able to recieve from any channel). please correct me if this is possible, but i dont think you would ask if it where. even Reason can do this.

You can route midi between channels easily if thats what you're asking.

There are lots of ways to accomplish whatever the OP is asking for. If you're recording automation off a knob, then simply assign that knob to control more than one parameter and arm your entire project for recording in arrangement view. I think that'll work.

Alternatively, just cut and paste the automation from one channel to the other. Its very easy.

Alternateively, you'll find you probably get a better wider sound from doing them seperately, and can make your track sound more complex.

I'm pretty sure instrument racks is the solution. You can layer up as many synths as you want in the rack and use the macro controls to assign multiple parameters to one macro.

Somewhere in there (it's been a while since I've used instrument racks) is a little button revealing the independant send/returns for each intrument in the rack.

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Originally posted by G-Con I'm pretty sure instrument racks is the solution. You can layer up as many synths as you want in the rack and use the macro controls to assign multiple parameters to one macro. Somewhere in there (it's been a while since I've used instrument racks) is a little button revealing the independant send/returns for each intrument in the rack.

Yeah, now I use a instrument rack. I also thought that they have knobs for the send-channels, but apparently not (sadly, only Drum-Racks have those knobs).

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Originally posted by lay Yeah, now I use a instrument rack. I also thought that they have knobs for the send-channels, but apparently not (sadly, only Drum-Racks have those knobs).

Yeah drum racks does have individual sends, I thought IR's did as well but maybe not.

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Originally posted by G-Con I'm pretty sure instrument racks is the solution. You can layer up as many synths as you want in the rack and use the macro controls to assign multiple parameters to one macro. Somewhere in there (it's been a while since I've used instrument racks) is a little button revealing the independant send/returns for each intrument in the rack.

No good if you want the three synths to be playing different notes.

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