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Lethal Funk tracks that keep you groovin' (no house, techno or electronica please)

There was this other 99-page thread that might have been about funk, to be honest I didn't read all of them, but while I found everything and the kitchen sink in the random ones that I clicked on, there was very little to no real funk ever mentioned.

While I totally get the idea that on a trance-oriented board most people might not want to be bothered figuring out the difference between Curtis Mayfield and Jakatta, should there not be a little thread where real, authentic funky music can be celebrated?

Not house. Not disco. Not techno. Not armchair electronica that happens to use a James Brown loop. None of those qualify as authentic funk. Funk is waaaaay down there, without a mechanical 4/4 beat. Funk is not a Hed Kandi compilation with jazzy guitar chords or somebody sampling a Bootsy Collins yelp. Even tho Derrick Carter's boompty house is great, it's not funk, merely house that has a bit of a funky flavor. And yes, funk can be uptempo!

So it would be great if this could be the thread where real funk is celebrated or debated, (or slagged, or whatever)

With that in mind, here are a few nuggets that have kept me boppin' for a long time.

Would certainly love to hear what some of your favorites are.

yessssss, blax.

Here's some more recent stuff...

Ok let's go! How about soulful funk, jazz funk, or funky disco tracks too? boogie funk? modern funk? some of these will be obvious, hopefully others not.

There's always more where that came from... let's start covering the basics.

Gimme some mo' !

Herbie Hancock - Sly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_rPaziWY38 or that whole headhunters lp
The Crusaders - Wells Gone Dry
Robert Jay - Alcohol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XbL8pC_Te4
Ohio Players - Ecstasy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xemoXrtvc-0
Maggie Thrett - Soupy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrrySIRMCsM
James Brown - Talkin' Loud & Sayin' Nothing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6OoOhKM_yc
Labi Siffre - The Vulture http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DByyEuYEvc
Herbie Hancock - Wiggle Waggle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHnSh3amu8o
Al Green - Everything's OK http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d66P8Lb75qQ
Eddie Kendricks - Girl You Need A Change Of Mind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUYTMqATF7M
Freda Payne - Yours To Have
Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell - Baby Don't You Worry
Ronnie Laws - Always There http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANhb-svKimY

I like montana's post style better so..

this post is going to be more discofunk oriented

WAR - The world is a ghetto (disco version) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbfnYeeOgxE

WAR - City, Country, City http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqB1oqP8smg

Wax - Don't be Tight http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWvxw4INrRM

Parliament Funkadelic - Aqua Boogie (A Psychoalphadiscobetabioaquadoloop) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-9NYdBLvvw

Aurra - Make Up Your Mind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9XNqqZ6xsM

Jackie Beavers - Mr. Bump Man (Give Me A Hand) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGcKVVvQqCg

BT Express - Peace Pipe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKXPUEPFow8

The Blackbyrds - Unfinished Business http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfxv_vMRMPE

The Destroyers - Letric Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q0576rfbmo

Brass Construction - Get up to get down http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfteiP1qaaE

Baker Harris Young - We Funk The Best http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwVCeye0OVA

currently going through my dad's crates of seven inch disco and funk.

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Originally posted by nefardec I like montana's post style better so..

Yeah agreed, Flash crashes with more than five or six embedded videos, it won't even allow the page to load half the time.

- Bootsy's Rubber Band "Body Slam" -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbNgEVgaMAM

- Little Sister "You're The One" -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZRGEdW6Zlk

- Jimi Hendrix "Crash Landing" -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uhN--xMAgs

- Marvin Gaye "T Plays It Cool" -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo-lnXtXmSA

- Steve Arrington "Nobody Can Be You" -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eoq0Ka3LWxM

- Bobby Byrd "Hot Pants I'm Comin'" -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKrwHGymvpA

- The Time "Cool" -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9hLoPYABss

- Bobby Byrd "I Know You Got Soul" -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACshMapSKo

- Maceo & The Macks "Soul Power 74" -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V1Pg8JfZs8

- Don Blackman "Heart's Desire" -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmYTeD5zxq8

- George Clinton "Atomic Dog" (rare instrumental) -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_DWjhozg6I

when i have access to youtube i'll be back. A funk thread needs the 60's 7inch record additions. I would say from 1965 to 1975 was the best time for funk, until disco came along.

also, may i recommend this blog http://dereksdaily45.blogspot.com/
this guy hunts down rare and not rare funk, soul, rhythm & blues and also some garage rock from the 50's-70's or whatever. proper crate digger

cool, thanks for that.

i have to say i never much got into 45s. i've got a slew of em but the sound quality is just never there, and it seems indulgent some times. i've always been more about the sound than the collecting.

i know im missing out on some good jams though.

i find the comment on the sound quality not being there funny coming from you, because of your previous comments about liking things raw. Some of those older recordings don't get any rawer than that.

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay the best time for funk, until disco came along.

This will need to be discussed.

In the meantime, we sometimes forget how much Funk has influenced Rock and other genres.

Like this:

The Rolling Stones "Fingerprint File" -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFNiSjN4BBY

David Bowie "Fame" -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-_30HA7rec

Jeff Beck "Come Dancing" -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9VE69f1Ve8

(no, please we can do without any mentions of Wild Cherry)

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And yes, of course about the 7"... this will be a whole adventure onto itself, already heavily charted in a bazillion compilations -each more obscure than the next- such as these below and many more:

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay i find the comment on the sound quality not being there funny coming from you, because of your previous comments about liking things raw. Some of those older recordings don't get any rawer than that.

Agreed. Also many times the mastering on the 45's was louder than the LP cut and possibly crisper (depending on the mastering engineer).

It's just that often times those were not kept in as good a condition by their owners.

It's always been that certain cuts did have a lot of character on 7"

My understanding of it from a guy i talked to that has a record press is that because of the record being smaller the weight of the impression must be set differently. Back in the day this was not always done. Not to mention there was always the rush to get the product into the jukeboxes of the days, because other than radio, jukeboxes were the best way to promote these things....to be honest it sounds a lot like an mp3 label

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Originally posted by sg_57 This will need to be discussed. In the meantime, we sometimes forget how much Funk has influenced Rock and other genres.

Funk is a bi product of the Blues, as is Rock and Roll. I would say the Blues is the architecture, and Funk is just a different interpretation in style (regional factors, social economic factors and so on and so on...)

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay My understanding of it from a guy i talked to that has a record press is that because of the record being smaller the weight of the impression must be set differently. Back in the day this was not always done. Not to mention there was always the rush to get the product into the jukeboxes of the days, because other than radio, jukeboxes were the best way to promote these things....to be honest it sounds a lot like an mp3 label

Here's the technical side of it:

- the closer to the center it gets, the more distortion and also a fairly noticeable loss of high end frequencies. (mastering engineers used to compensate for this by adding 'radius EQ' when it got closer to the center) So here the LP wins, because its outermost part is least susceptible to these problems.

- the 7" was cut at a faster speed, which did arguably give it better fidelity, and many times could be mastered louder than the LP, and more importantly with more bass because the groove could be a bit fatter than a typical LP groove that clocked at 21 minutes. So with this, the 7" wins.

Bit of a tradeoff really...

The issues may really have been more about the quality of vinyl used, they were reserving the better stuff for LPs and the jukebox 7" runs would many times probably get pressed on lower-grade stuff, that included a certain percentage of 're-grind' (recycled vinyl from discarded manufacturing leftovers).

And the fact that 7" mastering was not supervised by the same high-priced engineers who were cutting the LP, except on superstar product who could afford it. So sometimes not so much attention was paid to making sure. But with this sort of thing it really depends.

The raw sound of certain 7" records is truly legendary.

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay i find the comment on the sound quality not being there funny coming from you, because of your previous comments about liking things raw. Some of those older recordings don't get any rawer than that.

huh? raw (as i use it) doesn't mean "sounds like shit", it means it doesn't rely on efx, trends, and production magic to overcompensate for lack of inherent musicality.

think david mancuso, klipschorns, and babatunde olatunji. that's my kind of raw


but about 45s - yeah i think most what i react to comes from overplay and poor archiving.

that said i do dig them, and i have a ton of awesome sounding 45s, but i've just never been super into it.


crossovers allowed?

another cool thing about 7 inches is that there are a shit ton of novelty ones released in the 50's with nothing but sound effects and speech...pretty7 cool stuff for guys making sample based music imo. A little chopping, filtering, and eq...and you can have something way more original than that stab of "oh yeah" being used in almost every house track right now.

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay another cool thing about 7 inches is that there are a shit ton of novelty ones released in the 50's with nothing but sound effects and speech...pretty7 cool stuff for guys making sample based music imo. A little chopping, filtering, and eq...and you can have something way more original than that stab of "oh yeah" being used in almost every house track right now.

i've got this on 12"



http://vinylwhores.blogspot.com/201...uous-woman.html

/ot

kon & amir mentioned that once on one of their videos that they try to get the 45's or single 12"'s when they are looking for records for playing out since a lot of them, indeed had a louder cut. but i didn't link to that blog because to shift focus to talking about 45's, it's just that guy is a proper cratedigger & musicnerd and likes to put people on to stuff that hasn't been given that much attention.

anyhow, more stuff:
bobby byrd - i'm on the move http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epg2P5ThI7M
manu dibango - new bell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2CgvK5oWz4
melvyn price - behind kungstr�dg�rden http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DBj7CLqeU0
sweet linda divine - i'll say it again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FPaFrfegug
stevie wonder - too high http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8dK0iEzi1M
etta james - all the way down http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOnwNIxo_KM
jr funk - feel good party time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B95NX5d__E0
marvin gaye - in our lifetime http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2SkIhJAc_s
commodores - i'm ready http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5_VD2MLHcI
elmer & brenda russell - get me back to lousiana http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2aHqRY683I
sabu martinez - hotel alyssa http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4YZfqkhtZw
herbie hancock - hang up on your hangups http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqtki6I-VTY
mickey & the soul generation - message for a black man http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6puEV7Jd1FI

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Originally posted by nefardec i've got this on 12" http://vinylwhores.blogspot.com/201...uous-woman.html /ot

i only made about 45$ releasing that one

edit: i bought this a few weeks back, it has gold on it.

http://www.discogs.com/Various-What...release/2293733

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