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Is Arctic Moon moving into the Andy Blueman sound this year?

This is his latest track (out March 21) and IMO it's one of his best. Skip 2:54 for the mainlead if you don't want to listen to the whole thing.

Arctic Moon seems to be joining Andy Blueman and Ferry Tayle in the "epic overproduced" style of uplifting trance. Literally all the bells and whistles of the subgenre in every track.

Also some of the progressive stuff that FSOE and Enhanced have done lately is pretty good. Probably the top 2 trance labels right now.

Heard it on ASOT, and I love it.

Of course, it's only a matter of time before someone makes a remix where the melody just drops straight back into the beat after the buildup, and every DJ plays that version instead.

Where is the surprise? That little piece of shit has always copied someone. He doesn't have style or ideas at all.
Every time you hear something he produced you're like: "heey, this reminds me of that producer..."

Another ass-licker, another copycat that reproduces things that have been produced for years already. It's a permanent recycling of sound (it's been going for years). Every little kid wants to sound like "Andy Blueman", everyone wants to make a FARTY-ELECTROISH-SUPER-SUPER-SAW-UPLIFTING-EPIC shit.
And then you wonder why trance is death, why uplifting sucks so much, why it is the most predicable trance genre ever.

Go on youtube checking those kids (future producers). They are hundreds but are actually the same person.
No personality, no ideas, no creativity. A factory, at the end is the same product.

You guys say that modern trance music is all so unoriginal and cliched. Although IMO, all the trance you praise suffers from those problems as well. All classic trance sounds the same, all psytrance and goa sounds the same, all deep-prog sounds the same and so on.

Fact is, we haven't seen anything in trance music that has reached the same quality as 'Dark Side of the Moon', and I think the main problem is that all trance music has to be designed to be DJ-friendly. Trance is highly melodic and harmonic, so you can't really mix in the same way as techno or house.

Take this track for example:

This is how I imagine trance is 'supposed' to be. There is no conventional intro or outro, that I think is the reason we have this formula problem. IMO, ideal trance works should entire albums where each track seamlessly flows into eachother in a more subtle way than we have today.

That's my $0.02.

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Originally posted by pointPi You guys say that modern trance music is all so unoriginal and cliched. Although IMO, all the trance you praise suffers from those problems as well. All classic trance sounds the same, all psytrance and goa sounds the same, all deep-prog sounds the same and so on.

That because the last time you were searching for classic trance you were looking for all the over-rated, popular classics albums compiled by Ministry Of Sound, IDNT, Dutch Trance Vol.x etc. I have a collection of Trance tunes from the time when it was still peaking and barely any of them sound the same. Each producer had their own sound, which made tracks distinguish from each other. Look at what Michael Woods used to be for example, and look at his new works today.

Original? No fucking where near.

All the uplifting sounds the same nowadays, there are a few producers that make some interesting uplifting, it's not creative but has good melodies, good breakdowns etc... i am a classical music lover and i usually like this, on the other hand you've precisely the Anjuna and Enhanced uplifting producers which always sound the same and their melodies are so uninspirational, FSOE is a great label, probably my favourite of this new ones, it's not only that A&F release on it (and they make the few uplifting tunes i could see myself dancing to) but Akesson, Philippe el Sisi and Vast Vision are on it's roster and truly have a different and energetic sound, Vast Vision are now exploring tech trance, thats what producers should do, instead of recreating his first hit they should push their own boundaries with new sounds, arrangements etc...

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos All the uplifting sounds the same nowadays, there are a few producers that make some interesting uplifting, it's not creative but has good melodies, good breakdowns etc... i am a classical music lover and i usually like this, on the other hand you've precisely the Anjuna and Enhanced uplifting producers which always sound the same and their melodies are so uninspirational, FSOE is a great label, probably my favourite of this new ones, it's not only that A&F release on it (and they make the few uplifting tunes i could see myself dancing to) but Akesson, Philippe el Sisi and Vast Vision are on it's roster and truly have a different and energetic sound, Vast Vision are now exploring tech trance, thats what producers should do, instead of recreating his first hit they should push their own boundaries with new sounds, arrangements etc...

I've figured over the years that, as the further the boundaries are pushed, the more obnoxious Trance sounds in general. Might as well leave it to die, just like a star which blows up after a certain amount of expansion.

they're pushed in the wrong way, someone thought "Let's add pop vocals to our tracks!! it saves time since you don't need a melody!!" another one thought " Let's add a farty electro bassline and slow the bpm's to 130, it's getting all the 15 year old girls crazy!" and soon someone will say "Let's introduce gangster lyrics to get into trance the colleagues from the ghetoo")

I see that the only genre who has some future is tech trance, if you compare it to oliver lieb you can't believe both things are the same but sounds great still.

The whole thing is a circus show slash business. How the Armada/Anjuna fanboys fail to see that baffles the shit outta me.

Ah wait, I know, because its HIP!

Fuck Arctic Moon, it's all about Arctic Night.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Fuck Arctic Moon, it's all about Arctic Night.

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Originally posted by TranceElevation Where is the surprise? That little piece of shit has always copied someone. He doesn't have style or ideas at all. Every time you hear something he produced you're like: "heey, this reminds me of that producer..." Another ass-licker, another copycat that reproduces things that have been produced for years already. It's a permanent recycling of sound (it's been going for years). Every little kid wants to sound like "Andy Blueman", everyone wants to make a FARTY-ELECTROISH-SUPER-SUPER-SAW-UPLIFTING-EPIC shit. And then you wonder why trance is death, why uplifting sucks so much, why it is the most predicable trance genre ever. Go on youtube checking those kids (future producers). They are hundreds but are actually the same person. No personality, no ideas, no creativity. A factory, at the end is the same product.

How many times are you guys going to regurgitate these same redundant talking points? After years and years of bitching, you idiots still can't get it through your heads that people listen to uplifting trance and enjoy it?

We've all gotten it through our heads, but we can still bash on you for liking awful fucking music.

This track in particular is terrible, could it be any more of a clusterfuck of useless bells and whistles and regurgitated epic trance ideas? Yeesh.

Like I said, I like the song, and I think it would go well in a set.

Clearly you can't build a set out of uplifting track after uplifting track, but one or two can really enhance the experience. Sure, a lot of them sound very similar, but there are slight differences.

The thing that pisses me off is that no DJ ever wants to play an uplifting track in a set anymore. You guys are all complaining about it, but have you gone to see trance DJs at your local clubs recently, or do you just listen to the radio shows?

I haven't heard anybody play a proper uplifting track in their DJ set in a while, and I go out almost every week. It's almost all banging stuff with emphasis on the bassline and not the buildup these days.

So while you think it's "ruining" the scene, it's only really on radio shows and maybe the big festivals. My opinion is that hearing more uplifting tracks would actually be refreshing, since they seem to have disappeared from the face of the Earth as far as the club scene is concerned.

first of all you are lucky if you have clubs that play trance in your city, secondly it's not surprising that they don't play uplifting, if i, that i still enjoy some uplifting trance, listen to a bloody 2 minutes breakdown without a drink in my hand... chances that i leave the club are high, by playing a lot of this in a row, chances that i don't have a drink in my hand are higher so... you'd empty the club bye doing this.

If electro house is so popular is because it has the 2 things people want, groove and fits well with vocals, trance vocals are fine to listen at home, quite dreamy but it's not what clubbers are looking for, if still your local djs are so kind that they play trance instead of going for the easy route of David Guetta and Rihanna i don't wonder they play something with strong basslines and synth stabs that's groovy and energetic , boys will jump ladies will leave.

Ps: About the festival thing, 2 persons have already told me that trance is meant for festivals, actually being a handsup style mostly it's not the kind of music that you can just listen while talking, if you see an Armin van Buuren live video everybody is jumping, hands up, jesus poses etc... fine, if you look for a out of the top 100 dj the club is half empty and people absolutely don't care about the dj, i've seen a Sean Tyas video where he has only like 4 people actually following the set, the rest are sit down, talking at the corners etc... he is not a good dj but well this shows why uplifting trance is rarely suitable for mainstream clubs

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Originally posted by Quazar The thing that pisses me off is that no DJ ever wants to play an uplifting track in a set anymore. You guys are all complaining about it, but have you gone to see trance DJs at your local clubs recently, or do you just listen to the radio shows? I haven't heard anybody play a proper uplifting track in their DJ set in a while, and I go out almost every week. It's almost all banging stuff with emphasis on the bassline and not the buildup these days.

I saw Signum the other week after J00F, I saw Gareth Emery after Orkidea a couple of months back and I saw John O'Bir about a year ago. All of them played back-to-back ultra-breakdown fluffy bullshit the whole time I was there. So did the local jocks playing support.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I saw Signum the other week after J00F, I saw Gareth Emery after Orkidea a couple of months back and I saw John O'Bir about a year ago. All of them played back-to-back ultra-breakdown fluffy bullshit the whole time I was there. So did the local jocks playing support.

I've never seen Signum, and I missed John O'Bir when he was in town. I saw Gareth at a festival and his set came across like someone trying to cram a 3-hour Above & Beyond set into an hour and a half. It was ok, but it felt like a greatest hits album... decent songs, not the best flow.

Keep in mind, I don't think a set should only include the huge-breakdown uplifting stuff, nor do I think it should only have "banging" tunes. I think there should be a balance.

I do agree that uplifting trance needs some more innovation, or at least some variation. Remember songs like "Let the Light Shine In"? It's uplifting, yet somber in a way, and it makes you want to dance. What happened to tracks like that?

That said, I still like the new Arctic Moon track.

EDIT: And my favorite "rising star" in the trance scene is Arnej. He's one guy bringing some innovation to uplifting trance.

But Arnej is not an uplifting trance producer.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos But Arnej is not an uplifting trance producer.

If "The Strings That Bind Us" isn't uplifting, I don't know what is.

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Originally posted by Euforix J00f & Orkidea played that too? I'm suprised! :O

Orkidea did dumb it down massively, playing dull click-prog and so forth for the most part. Was very disappointed because I'd paid to see him and the other clowns were just an optional extra.

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Originally posted by Quazar Keep in mind, I don't think a set should only include the huge-breakdown uplifting stuff, nor do I think it should only have "banging" tunes. I think there should be a balance.

I'm not claiming you think that. I'm merely refuting this suggestion that no critic of uplifting trance ever actually goes to the shows in question. I know exactly what musical crimes are committed at trance events. I could sympathise with your point if any uplifting trance DJ I've ever heard of played in a remotely intelligent manner. There's never any balance.

Anyway, less debating of this nonsense and more Arctic Night:

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Originally posted by Quazar If "The Strings That Bind Us" isn't uplifting, I don't know what is.

i knew you'd name that track, one track on a genre doesn't make you a genre producer , still that track is not uplifting, is just a prog. track with strings.

If tracks like these were made in the late 90's they would have been classics now for sure. No doubt about that.
I like them even after 20 years of listening trance approaching.

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Originally posted by Quazar If "The Strings That Bind Us" isn't uplifting, I don't know what is.

Well, think then it would be at the low end of uplifting as tracks like these are far more uplifting if you ask me:

Jan Oostdyk - Heidi (Original Mix)

Heidi... 2010 saw 5000 shit trance releases but Heidi... it was my summer anthem, this is how uplifting should be, i think it's very underrated.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos Heidi... 2010 saw 5000 shit trance releases but Heidi... it was my summer anthem, this is how uplifting should be, i think it's very underrated.

Same for me, also this one, but not everyone will like those vocals in the breakdown. Those piano's simply sound blasting and that build up after the breakdown show what uplifting means:



By the way, just listen from 6:40 minutes. There is still enough in there to fill a track. So I guess I love overproduced tracks

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