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Posted by DJ_Buddha on Aug-09-2002 05:43:

Future of CDs (just a thought)

This is just a thought earlier today... Was kinda bored, and "tired" from listening to the massively massive ASOT show...

I was thinking, DVDs are getting more popular today, and we have begun to strive to put more space on CDs, 74 to 80 to 90 or higher CDs. I was wondering, some day, will DVDs take over...??

I mean, think about, in the future, do you think we will have Audio DVDs and Portable Audio DVD Players instead of CD Players and CDs. Its the exact same technology as we have fit into the portable DVD players and the computer DVD drives. The technology is small enough. It seems possible. We could do it, so it would only or both play DVDs and CDs...? It would all make sense if we did a little technology work, and got it to be marketed.

I mean think, a Tiesto 4 or 5 hour mix CD on ONE CD that would play in any computer, CD player or car stereo...??? We've got MP3 players, its simple! Look at that, would be perfect... Cost might be a little much, but I think it would turn out for the better.

I bet Japan or somewhere has these already released or still in development but close to product testing (which still means ages till we first see one on the retail market). Oh well...

What does everyone think of this "idea" of mine, I wanna hear your views on this. Peace, laterz!

Posted by milos on Aug-09-2002 05:53:

id just like something small, and something standard, that will play insanely long amounts of music. cd's are becoming obsolete cause of their size so it's hard to carry it around. i think in the near future cd's will be no more.

Posted by jdat on Aug-09-2002 05:53:

wow sounds like rocket science to me

seriously dvds are and aren't an option for numerous reasons

mds are coming in somewhat stronger ... but it's a new standard, out for a long long time actually ( 92 something ), and it's not catching on cause cd rules the market.

dvds are indeed becoming cheaper, I recently spotted dvd burners at 250 $ and blanks at 3 $

Posted by Nadi on Aug-09-2002 06:42:

I dont think it will happen in the near future if at all. The main reason is that many more people have cd burners than dvd burners, and they wont ever sell music dvds because artists simply can't put up that much work(at least not mainstream ones, djs could do livesets i guess...). I'm sure the industry would flip too :~(

Posted by jdat on Aug-09-2002 06:49:

what about SACD?

super audio compact disc

btw isn't that proprietary to sony?

Posted by zzleeper on Aug-09-2002 07:50:

Instead of MP3 players using cds or Diskmans we will have minidisks with + than 1 gig capacity.. i ll be able to store all my livesets like that!!! WOOWWW (btw, that is years ahead, DVD technologies for burning will take a while to get cheaper)

Posted by ali92 on Aug-09-2002 15:14:

quote:
Originally posted by jdat
wow sounds like rocket science to me

seriously dvds are and aren't an option for numerous reasons

mds are coming in somewhat stronger ... but it's a new standard, out for a long long time actually ( 92 something ), and it's not catching on cause cd rules the market.

dvds are indeed becoming cheaper, I recently spotted dvd burners at 250 $ and blanks at 3 $

First of all, the ATRAC (MD) statndard has been around since 1992 and it has gone through numerous revisions (http://www.minidisc.org/) since then. It never was made to replace CD but to replace the cassette.

Second, DVD-AUDIO IS out already! It's a VERY high-quality audio disc format. In theory, it IS possible to put large amounts of just above CD quality audio in regular 2 channel stereo on these discs and it'll sound fine BUT, DVD-AUDIO isn't being marketed like that. Instead teh extra space is being used for extra quality and very high Sampling Rates that we can't hear. Go to http://www.jandr.com/ and you'll see DVD-AUDIO players there. See what they're marketed for: multi-channel, higher-than-CD-quality sound. My personal opinion on this is: It would market better if it just sounded like CD and the extra space was used for length. Think about it: You can put hundreds of "Greatest Hits" tracks on there or a 6 hour DJ mix, etc. on a single disc! That should grab more attention than 192 khz 32 bit sound quality that CAN'T be heard. THAT'S why people won't buy DVD-AUDIO. I would love for this to happen, though. Why? Because since MP3's compressed audio, why not save CDs for 320 kbps 4 hours mixes and DVD-AUDIO for DAT (48 khz) quality UNCOMPRESSED 4 - 6 hour mixes? Sounds like a good idea to me!

Posted by whiskers on Aug-09-2002 17:07:

Re: Future of CDs (just a thought)

quote:
Originally posted by DJ_Buddha

I mean think, a Tiesto 4 or 5 hour mix CD on ONE CD that would play in any computer, CD player or car stereo...???

I have tiesto's Dutch Dimension, Gatecrasher NEC, and Qontact sets on one cd and i can listen to it anytime, although only in my mp3-cd player, but i can output it to my stereo or to my car stereo (if i had one, that is)

Posted by infinity HiGH on Aug-09-2002 17:41:

I think that for music, they should use "mini DVD's" just like the Gamecube video game system uses them for its games. It would really be an advantage, since the disks are really small, 8cm in diameter, and holds 1.5GB of memory.

Posted by jdat on Aug-09-2002 17:58:

quote:
Originally posted by ali92

First of all, the ATRAC (MD) statndard has been around since 1992 and it has gone through numerous revisions (http://www.minidisc.org/) since then. It never was made to replace CD but to replace the cassette.

Second, DVD-AUDIO IS out already! It's a VERY high-quality audio disc format. In theory, it IS possible to put large amounts of just above CD quality audio in regular 2 channel stereo on these discs and it'll sound fine BUT, DVD-AUDIO isn't being marketed like that. Instead teh extra space is being used for extra quality and very high Sampling Rates that we can't hear. Go to http://www.jandr.com/ and you'll see DVD-AUDIO players there. See what they're marketed for: multi-channel, higher-than-CD-quality sound. My personal opinion on this is: It would market better if it just sounded like CD and the extra space was used for length. Think about it: You can put hundreds of "Greatest Hits" tracks on there or a 6 hour DJ mix, etc. on a single disc! That should grab more attention than 192 khz 32 bit sound quality that CAN'T be heard. THAT'S why people won't buy DVD-AUDIO. I would love for this to happen, though. Why? Because since MP3's compressed audio, why not save CDs for 320 kbps 4 hours mixes and DVD-AUDIO for DAT (48 khz) quality UNCOMPRESSED 4 - 6 hour mixes? Sounds like a good idea to me!

if dvd audio was commercially available with let's say 3 -4 times more music then cd ... that'd make the dvd audios let's say 3-4 times more expensive then cd or something more expensive at least that's for sure

would we want to pay that?

hummmmmm
as convenient as it is .... I doubt lots of people would want to pay big money just for a new release or something

Posted by ali92 on Aug-09-2002 21:30:

quote:
Originally posted by infinity HiGH
I think that for music, they should use "mini DVD's" just like the Gamecube video game system uses them for its games. It would really be an advantage, since the disks are really small, 8cm in diameter, and holds 1.5GB of memory.

And who says that it can't be done? It CERTAINLY IS possible. That would be great because they can hold ~2.5 hours+ of 48 khz (DAT quality) music at disc size that's smaller than a CD. Does anyone on here remember when 8 cm CDs were sold in record stores? They can hold up to ~21 - 23 minutes and they were made for "CD-singles". SONY even made a special player for them in 1990 that could only play 8 cm CDs. Why can't the same happen for DVDs that can hold a lot of music? That would be awesome!

Posted by ali92 on Aug-09-2002 21:33:

quote:
Originally posted by jdat

if dvd audio was commercially available with let's say 3 -4 times more music then cd ... that'd make the dvd audios let's say 3-4 times more expensive then cd or something more expensive at least that's for sure

would we want to pay that?

hummmmmm
as convenient as it is .... I doubt lots of people would want to pay big money just for a new release or something

It should be used ONLY for releases that are presently 4+ CDs long, like Greatest Hits albums, multi-CD DJ sets, etc. NOT EVERYTHING. Releasing EVERYTHING like that would bring prices sky-high, which people wouldn't want to see...

Posted by ali92 on Aug-09-2002 21:35:

quote:
Originally posted by jdat
what about SACD?

super audio compact disc

btw isn't that proprietary to sony?

SONY and Philips.

Posted by Fin.K.L on Aug-09-2002 22:23:

DVD-Audio doen't sound nice just for it's name.
I don't know about the technical stuff though.
But, if it's dedicated for music then why use such a name that's popular with movie?

SACD sounds good to me but, its logo look ugly...
HAHAHA

ya need something more than CD for sure though...

Posted by ali92 on Aug-10-2002 02:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Fin.K.L
DVD-Audio doen't sound nice just for it's name.
I don't know about the technical stuff though.
But, if it's dedicated for music then why use such a name that's popular with movie?

SACD sounds good to me but, its logo look ugly...
HAHAHA

ya need something more than CD for sure though...

DVD stands for Digital Versitle Disc. The full name for the format that the DVDs that you buy in video stores is called DVD-VIDEO. The audio-only format is called DVD-AUDIO. Sure, it MAY be popular with video distribution FOR NOW but, DVDs can hold ANYTHING, just like CDs so, expect more applications to use it in teh future. In fact, right now, there is software distributed on DVDs (Playstation 2 games, Nintendo Gamecube games, Micdosoft X-Box games and software, PC (all OSs)/Apple Macintosh software, road map software for navigation devices (instead of GPS), and more) so, DON'T say that DVD equals movie because your VERY wrong. Read the DVD FAQ at http://www.dvddemystified.com/ if you want A LOT of information about DVD, the formats used on it, etc.

Posted by Silver Wolf on Nov-09-2002 08:40:

My dream come true would be a MINI DVD/MP3 PLAYER

Posted by ali92 on Nov-09-2002 17:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Silver Wolf
My dream come true would be a MINI DVD/MP3 PLAYER

It's either out or coming out already...

SONY just made a portable device that can play WAV, MP3, and WMA files on a CD[-R/RW] or DVD[-R/RW?] and if the unit was hooked up to a TV, it can be used as a DVD-VIDEO player to watch movies! Price: ~300 USD

Posted by Nadi on Nov-09-2002 18:03:

I dont see dvds or anything else really replacing cds for a number of reasons. First of all theres millions of people who already have cd players who might not want to shell out a bunch of cass for something else. Secondly artists wouldnt be able to take advantage of the amount of storage in say a dvd because they dont put out enough material.

Posted by GT_TraNcE on Nov-09-2002 18:32:

i just can't wait tell some guy makes up some kind of dvd burner

Posted by Dmatrox on Nov-09-2002 18:44:

Posted by arjoderoon on Nov-09-2002 21:52:

LPMD!!!!! 320 minutes of music in high quality on a mini disc!!!
I LOVE MINIDISC!!