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Only in Florida (and apparently Afghanistan too)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4238658...new_york_times/

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Sitting in judgment was a jury of 12 members of Mr. Jones�s church, the Dove World Outreach Center . After listening to arguments from both sides, the jury pronounced the Koran guilty of five �crimes against humanity,� including the promotion of terrorist acts and �the death, rape and torture of people worldwide whose only crime is not being of the Islamic faith.�

because of this issue,

KABUL, Afghanistan � Afghans protesting the burning of a Quran at a small Florida church stormed a U.N. compound in northern Afghanistan on Friday and killed at least seven international staff. At least four protesters were also killed.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4237605...d_central_asia/

and

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan � At least 10 people have been killed and 83 wounded in the southern Afghan city of Kandahar, officials said on Saturday, on a second day of violent protests over the burning of a Quran by a radical fundamentalist Christian in the United States.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4238872...d_central_asia/

WE'RE NOT FUCKING VIOLENT!!

He should be charged with their Murders...He's just scum, plain and simple.

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Originally posted by Jackson He should be charged with their Murders...He's just scum, plain and simple.

The guy who burned the Quran should be charged with the murders committed by people protesting the burning of said Quran? Read that again...

there are two things that actually grind my gears

1) that this guy and his church is even getting news time. they're a tiny little radical group that should not be representing the majority of America. but the news points them out and makes them and their shennanigans in the spot light.

2) that there are people halfway around the world who see their shennenigans and turn straight to violence. it's one thing to protest, but to go straight to violence, that's just awful.

it makes me wonder if the opposite what would happen...say a small radical group of extremists in Afghanistan put a video of burning the Bible...would Christians go over to a mosque and set it on fire and try to kill people? of course not! hell, even the westboro baptists and all their stupid ass shit haven't killed anyone.

the whole situation is upsetting to me.

Yeah. This pisses me off, too. Really wish I could set that asshole straight.

People are complaining about a guy burning a book when there were 14 people murdered because of it? That doesn't seem a little backward to you?

Yeah reading it back I realise I made no fucking sense.

I feel that he should be punished. He knew what was going to happen if he was to go ahead with it, and yet he did it anyway. Although he didn't commit the murder, he was the cause of it.

this is the only solution i can think of....

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Originally posted by Jackson Yeah reading it back I realise I made no fucking sense. I feel that he should be punished. He knew what was going to happen if he was to go ahead with it, and yet he did it anyway. Although he didn't commit the murder, he was the cause of it.

That is completely ridiculous. Saying that he was the cause of these murders is like saying the Jews were the cause of the Holocaust.

You think it's acceptable for the people in Afghanistan to think "Hmm, he burned our sacred text, so we should probably go kill a bunch of people."

As sad as it is to say this, they're kind of proving his point...

"Killing people whose only crime is not being of the Islamic faith." This is cold-blooded murder of innocent individuals because of something completely unrelated that happened across the world. The people who were murdered weren't even all Americans. Blaming the guy from Florida is tantamount to justifying those murders.

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Originally posted by tubularbills 2) that there are people halfway around the world who see their shennenigans and turn straight to violence. it's one thing to protest, but to go straight to violence, that's just awful.

Just to say, there are conflicting reports as to whether ISAF or the Protesters shot first.

But still, bringing a gun to a protest shows at least some violent intent.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 That is completely ridiculous. Saying that he was the cause of these murders is like saying the Jews were the cause of the Holocaust.

What I am attempting to say is that if he had not burnt the book, then those people would still be alive.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 People are complaining about a guy burning a book when there were 14 people murdered because of it? That doesn't seem a little backward to you?

stfu moron. they were killed as a result of the burning of the book.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi stfu moron. they were killed as a result of the burning of the book.

And I suppose the Oklahoma City Bombing was the US Government's fault too. Get a clue you fucking idiot.

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Originally posted by Jackson What I am attempting to say is that if he had not burnt the book, then those people would still be alive.

If the media has not reported his burning the book, those people would be alive, right?

Of course they would, because non-Muslims are never murdered in the Middle East for no reason...

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On

What part about my last post do you disagree with?

You're completely failing to recognize the responsibility of the murderers.

I see your logic, and I agree that Pastor Jones is a shit-eater who shouldn't be allowed any publicity whatsoever, but his entire point is that Islam breeds violence... and so in indignant objection to this, a group of Islamic men storm a UN Compound and murder 7 people. WHAT?

Men should be held accountable for their actions. Pastor Jones burned a book and said some harsh words, but that is the extent of his pathetic part in this. To blatantly ignore that the murderers are responsible for pulling their triggers is to completely undermine their accountability as human beings in society, and frankly, borders on an insult to the potential of the third world to pull itself out of squalor despite its admitted fetters by first world occupation. It's as though you're saying the shooters could not possibly be held reponsible - after all, they're just stupid Tribals.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On To blatantly ignore.... [/i]

Ok, I didn't mention the guys that pulled the triggers. Yes they are MORE SO at fault than Pastor Jones as they reacted to an insult essentially. Don't get me wrong, they should be the first ones to be punished. I guess I didn't make that clear, but I thought it was obvious, my mistake.

My point was that Pastor Jones should not get off free for this. He could easily repeat what he did, and I don't think he would have any quibbles about doing so.

Do you agree that some form of punishment should be dealt to him?

Arguably we could blame the media (to be fair I don't think the recession would have been as bad if the media didn't hype it up as much as they did), but then where would the finger pointing stop?

What, like, imprisoned?

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Originally posted by Jackson Do you agree that some form of punishment should be dealt to him?

No. Yes, he's clearly a large bag of douche, but he didn't break any laws. His way of protesting was burning a book, their way was murdering a bunch of people.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 No. Yes, he's clearly a large bag of douche, but he didn't break any laws. His way of protesting was burning a book, their way was murdering a bunch of people.

Agreed that he didn't break any laws, but should some law be put in place to prevent this from happening again?

Jackson, I think I know what you're talking about. he's a total douche and his actions did spark somewhat of an international uprising. was it him specifically? was there other details we're not aware of? possibly. while he's a total douche and probably shouldn't have done this...on the other hand, it's more aggrevating to me that people go to such lengths of violence so fast. (of course, there are a lot of details that perhaps we don't know about them either). all in all, it's a crap situation.

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Originally posted by Jackson Agreed that he didn't break any laws, but should some law be put in place to prevent this from happening again?

I'm fairly certain that murder is already illegal everywhere.

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