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easily offended people might be offended

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Originally posted by lacksesepsotygh easily offended people might be offended

I get offended by easily offended people.

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Originally posted by Senator Clay Davis of all places france decided to do this? the most terrorist friendly western country of all? rofl theres another revolution coming.

Who knows they might fly another plane into a building. I just wonder what other nations will follow in France's footsteps.

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Originally posted by Banora I get offended by easily offended people.

this

Instead of just posting a picture, it would have been helpful to post a link to an article about whatever you're referencing.

I presume you're talking about the bullshit bans on the niqab and burqa in France. Their justification for banning it is the biggest load of garbage I have ever heard and I think it sets a terrifying precedent. It's pretty scary when you start allowing the government to dictate what you can and cannot wear... next they will be banning skirts that are too short and t-shirts with offensive messages.

Stay the fuck out of my closet and out of my personal business. Wearing a niqab/burqa does not impose any real threats to anyone other than making those who are already anti-Islam nervous. If you're going to claim safety, then you should ban ski-masks, any costume masks, wedding veils, beards, sunglasses, make-up etc. Anything that can distort your facial image and make it more difficult to identify you is arguably a threat.

If it's about preserving secularism, then ban priest and nun garb, ban monk robes, ban people from wearing a cross, ban the turban, etc. etc.

If it's about protecting these women's rights and giving them freedom... well then, they are simply confused. Taking away their right to wear what they want does not in some way give them rights or more freedom. As a result of this bullshit ban, many of these women are going to feel forced to live as hermits, never leaving their home. That does not promote freedom. Besides, banning something that you think is oppressive is not going to change the root of the problem.

This is just poorly disguised discrimination and it pisses me off.

In england some places are banning hoddies and the crime rate dropped drastically. Seems quite reasonable, ban hoodies, and people dont get stabbed, ban those ridiculous pieces of cloth and people dont get blown up.

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Originally posted by Moongoose ...ban hoodies, and people dont get stabbed, ban those ridiculous pieces of cloth and people dont get blown up.

Dear God.

Ban clothes, but I would be out of a job. Hey its for the greater good right?

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Originally posted by Senator Clay Davis muslim women do not want to wear hijab, atleast not if they dare to think it through. i think this is what this is all about. not sure its the right way though.

That's ridiculous. Most of the women who wear the Niqab (outside of Saudi Arabia etc.) do so willingly. They are not forced to - they WANT to wear it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiVF0XSa5Y0

But who cares... who are you or anyone else to dictate what someone can and cannot wear? Pretending to fight oppression with oppression doesn't make any fucking sense!

First arrest already happening

http://www.smh.com.au/world/first-a...0412-1dbcg.html

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Two women wearing burqas have been arrested by French police just hours after the Republic became the first country in the world to enact laws banning wearing the Islamic veil in public. The women, part of a small group protesting against the new law in front of Notre Dame Cathedral in central Paris, could face fines of �150 and be forced to attend 'citizenship lessons' - although it now appears likely they will be cautioned because the demonstration was not authorised. The French ban on face veils began yesterday and is the result of months of heated public debate and parliamentary argument, sparked by President Nicolas Sarkozy, last year. Advertisement: Story continues below His centre-right UMP government introduced the law as part of a targeted populist strategy aimed at quelling increasing public unrest about rising unemployment, widespread austerity measures and immigration.

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Originally posted by Moongoose In england some places are banning hoddies and the crime rate dropped drastically. Seems quite reasonable, ban hoodies, and people dont get stabbed, ban those ridiculous pieces of cloth and people dont get blown up.

Wow... what excellent logic. Because the Niqab causes bombings.

Yep... genius.

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Originally posted by Senator Clay Davis you seem to believe that logic matters. they have to try everything cause common sense do not work on religious people. eventhough muslim women say they want to wear the shit, its because of fear for their gods or their man, or the society, not at all because they want to. your youtube vid was pretty shit btw, and proves what i say. "i wear it to be faithfull to my religion", a religion they did not choose themselfs. im not saying banning will work lol, but somethings gotta be done. im gonna grab my popcorn and see whats gonna happen with all of these.

Are you seriously that stupid? You believe that discriminating against them even more is going to dissuade the radicals of the bunch from doing any more harm? Again, that doesn't make any sense.

Almost everything we do in our lives is directly related to our socialization. Women wear makeup because they have been socialized to believe they should wear it, not necessarily because they want to. People put on their seat belts because they are told they should, not always because they feel like it. People face the front of the elevator because social norms make you think that's what is appropriate, not because you are particularly interested at looking at the door. To say that people aren't doing these things willingly is absurd.

Yes, they have been taught/convinced/socialized to wear the niqab, but that doesn't mean they aren't doing so willingly. If that is your argument, then freewill doesn't exist.

And why do you think "somethings gotta be done"? Why not just let them wear what they want? It doesn't affect you in any way.

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Originally posted by Theresa That's ridiculous. Most of the women who wear the Niqab (outside of Saudi Arabia etc.) do so willingly. They are not forced to - they WANT to wear it.

most of the people who wear that shit smell

good ban

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Originally posted by Theresa Wow... what excellent logic. Because the Niqab causes bombings. Yep... genius.

And hoodies dont cause stabbings, but less hoodies menat less crime.

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Originally posted by Moongoose And hoodies dont cause stabbings

Yes, they do!

BURN THE QUR'AN

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Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights BURN THE QUR'AN

Do that and people in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Indonesia and Malaysia go ape shit.

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Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights BURN THE QUR'AN

islam is a religion of peace
discuss

I am easily offended by people who are offended by easily offended people.

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Originally posted by Theresa Yes, they have been taught/convinced/socialized to wear the niqab, but that doesn't mean they aren't doing so willingly. If that is your argument, then freewill doesn't exist.

If your idea of freewill is being ostracised by both your family and considered 'fair game' by the rest of society following an arse backwards medieval religion, you can choose to break your social conditioning and not wear it.
Europe has some real problems with the integration of migrant communities into their society. This is more or less, the sharp end of it that the larger, existing society feels will help them be accepted into the mainstream so they dont get marginalised even more.

On the other side of the coin, you go to the countries that re-brain their population for socio-religious purposes and you're expected to cover up. It isn't actually an ethnic practice in all but a handful of countries, its an adoption of the ultra conservative, cultural practices of a handful of countries.
It is entirely the prerogative of France or any other government to say how their population behaves for whatever reasons they want. If you dont like it, dont go there. But by being a westerner, you can go there and feel perfectly comfortable in another western society.

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Originally posted by Moongoose And hoodies dont cause stabbings

Yes they do

Ok seriously, i meant that the actual piece of clothing itself doesnt cause stabbings (as opposed to the other hoodies who clearly are the cause for stabings). I mean, most of my tops have some sort of a hood and ive never stabber anyone (as far as i can remember, i black out sometimes if i drink to much ), though it is true that i never actually wear the hood up


Also this by Jimmy Carr comes to mind in relation to hoodies

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"David Cameron said we should hug a hoodie. Why stop there? While you're at it tickle a rapist, wank off a mugger..."

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Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights islam is a religion of peace discuss

No comment.

Anyways, the one and true peaceful religion is... Buddhism.

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