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how to make massive basslines?

I've been listening to a lot of Cirez D lately and my god, the bass in his songs are simply amazing.

go to 0:30 --> and listen to the bass when it drops. boom



any idea what he does to make those massive basslines? (logic pro preferably?) I think that sounding bass will be able to make anyone get down..

I think its logic.

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Originally posted by Beatflux I think its logic.

I forgot to mention.. for "producing noobies"

did you know you can sample VENGEANCE? seriously, atleast provide a STERILE mix for us to judge. U CRAZY

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lot of Cirez D lately

lol.

And at least give us a clean mix, I can't hear shit.

you can hear it in a lot of his songs, this one for example..



today I was also listening to axwell's 'heart is king' and noticed a similar sounding bassline coming in at 0:26 here



p.s. do you think that's the only bass they're using in the songs.. just a kick and that bassline? or is there like a deeper bass that i can't hear on a laptop that makes it sound so massive live..

Live bass always sounds huge. As others have mentioned.

A lot of dance theses days gets most of it's bottom end energy from the bass drum. They have long subby tails, a lot of actual basslines are not as heavy as you think.

Detune two saw tooth waves, mess about with the filter cut off (either a high pass or a low pass depending on your taste) get it to fit with a 909 or 808 style bassdrum.

Alternatively, try layering some saws with a sine wave an octave or two below the saws, mess about with the levels of each oscillator.

The Track you posted "Tomorrow" Is deffo a sine bassline with either a square or saw layered gently over the top, then it has that running arp thing over that too.

A lot of it is the kick though.

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 Live bass always sounds huge. As others have mentioned. A lot of dance theses days gets most of it's bottom end energy from the bass drum. They have long subby tails, a lot of actual basslines are not as heavy as you think. Detune two saw tooth waves, mess about with the filter cut off (either a high pass or a low pass depending on your taste) get it to fit with a 909 or 808 style bassdrum. Alternatively, try layering some saws with a sine wave an octave or two below the saws, mess about with the levels of each oscillator. The Track you posted "Tomorrow" Is deffo a sine bassline with either a square or saw layered gently over the top, then it has that running arp thing over that too. A lot of it is the kick though.

I think you're right, it kind of tricks the mind... swedish house mafia also relies heavely on the kick and they do an awesome job at it, very punchy and pounding with a long tail.

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Originally posted by utdarsenal or is there like a deeper bass that i can't hear on a laptop that makes it sound so massive live..

I think your laptop is the culprit. If you're using laptop speakers then you don't hear any real bottom end at all, so you got used to it, but listening to these boomy (and I can tell you on real speakers it sounds absolutely abysmal) live tracks the distortion and eqing makes it sound for you as if it had more low end than your tracks or regular tracks that aren't utter garbage quality wise. The solution is to buy studio monitors or at least some quality headphones.

in that video what moves the people is the kick, not the bassline. And is the start of the set it seems, everyone is excited...

What I find funny is that in that Eric Prydz video, the fog machine plays a vital role in the drop you mentioned, providing the white noise. Just listen when it suddenly stops making fog, the tracks falls apart

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Originally posted by Morvan What I find funny is that in that Eric Prydz video, the fog machine plays a vital role in the drop you mentioned, providing the white noise. Just listen when it suddenly stops making fog, the tracks falls apart

You make an excellent point.

Pick your favourite live dj set:

-Instead of playing it on a 300.000W soundsystem with 3d visual effects play it on a 50W speakers, daylight, no effects.

That set is incredibly crappy isn't it?� Techno (and don't kill me plz) isn't more than kick snare hats and a bass (and yet please understand what i mean) but works incredibly well on big sound systems, visuals make the difference a lot of times.

Watching a film without audio---> Shit
Watching a film without image---> Shit

With music really works in a similar way besides it shouldn't

My partner in crime thinks I ought to hit the road with him at long last so I'm pondering this whole DJ lark for the first time. I noticed in the first vid here that the DJ gives off quite a decent vibe with his body language. I noticed this a lot with SVD too.

So being able to nod the head in the right way is real important eh?

there are some "stupid" things like clapping during breakdowns, jumping like a monkey or making hearths with the hands that are indeed stupid but help to get people into your set, a dj that keeps looking to a screen and doesn't connect with the crowd isn't a good dj, there are extremes of course David Guetta does nothing apart from this, but if you seem excited during the build up people will be, you are the leader of the pack, you rule over their movements.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos there are some "stupid" things like clapping during breakdowns, jumping like a monkey or making hearths with the hands that are indeed stupid but help to get people into your set, a dj that keeps looking to a screen and doesn't connect with the crowd isn't a good dj, there are extremes of course David Guetta does nothing apart from this, but if you seem excited during the build up people will be, you are the leader of the pack, you rule over their movements.

The more tits that are bouncing up and down, the better.

I know someone mentioned the fog machine but I had to rewind like 5 times cause everytime it shuts off I get this akward feeling like "where'd the music go?". And it almost looks like all the kids in the crowd stop real briefly for a milisecond to look at the DJ and make sure he's still dancing. Then they quickly get back into it. How akward. Just goes to show people have no clue what good music is when you gotta look to the person next you to confirm its not weird to keep dancing. I am exagerating a bit too but it does look like theres a brief pause in the crowd when the machine goes out. And that beat also sounds like shit, nothing interesting about it. Guess thats why extacy was invented.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I know someone mentioned the fog machine but I had to rewind like 5 times cause everytime it shuts off I get this akward feeling like "where'd the music go?". And it almost looks like all the kids in the crowd stop real briefly for a milisecond to look at the DJ and make sure he's still dancing. Then they quickly get back into it. How akward. Just goes to show people have no clue what good music is when you gotta look to the person next you to confirm its not weird to keep dancing. I am exagerating a bit too but it does look like theres a brief pause in the crowd when the machine goes out. And that beat also sounds like shit, nothing interesting about it. Guess thats why extacy was invented.

Not that I've ever been, but the smoke machine on videos in Amnesia sounds ridiculous. Totally drowns out all music. Actually kills a lot of atmosphere and tension having a white noise blast go off at random intervals.

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 Not that I've ever been, but the smoke machine on videos in Amnesia sounds ridiculous. Totally drowns out all music. Actually kills a lot of atmosphere and tension having a white noise blast go off at random intervals.

Amnesia in Ibiza? They actually add to the thing i think altho a bit gimmicky
And no they dont drown out the music - that rig is really fucking loud

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Originally posted by evo8 Amnesia in Ibiza? They actually add to the thing i think altho a bit gimmicky And no they dont drown out the music - that rig is really fucking loud

Hmmm, sure I saw a video where literally all you heard was kerrrrrrrrrrrrrshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

It seems they have changed it now?

It used to be one big dong thing dangling down. Now it looks like some refocused jet shit on the wall?

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 Hmmm, sure I saw a video where literally all you heard was kerrrrrrrrrrrrrshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! It seems they have changed it now? It used to be one big dong thing dangling down. Now it looks like some refocused jet shit on the wall?

dont even know where the bloody thing was shooting from, you cant see for a few seconds lol - its okay at certain points in the night but sometimes it was a bit on the random side alright.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I know someone mentioned the fog machine but I had to rewind like 5 times cause everytime it shuts off I get this akward feeling like "where'd the music go?". And it almost looks like all the kids in the crowd stop real briefly for a milisecond to look at the DJ and make sure he's still dancing. Then they quickly get back into it. How akward. Just goes to show people have no clue what good music is when you gotta look to the person next you to confirm its not weird to keep dancing. I am exagerating a bit too but it does look like theres a brief pause in the crowd when the machine goes out. And that beat also sounds like shit, nothing interesting about it. Guess thats why extacy was invented.

we live in a world were appearance is very important, if you dance to something that in the common conception isn't cool you aren't cool, you are a freak.

This way you don't have to put effort on the production process but in the marketing because if it is popular it is going to be good for 90% of the people.

This is the track:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJtZByk5OMI


The bassline sounds like two different basslines playing off each other.

EDIT: This doesn't sound like that massive of a bassline. As other people said, it's the club that made it sound massive.

first time i played one of my tracks in a club i was really impressed, the kick was peaking at 0dbs or something like that because red lined the mixer (my first production you know) but at the same time it sounded overhelming but in a good way, i think i only noticed the white noise crunchs on top of that to be honest

Just listened to the clean sample of that tune.

It is just a very bass heavy subby kick with a long tail.

The bassline is a saw with a sine layered underneath pitched down 1 or 2 octaves. There is some slight verb on the saw part of the bass.

The Saw sounds highpassed too, but that could also just be EQ.

Listen to this tune, it will help you understand how the kick make most of the bottom end in current dance music. (Yes I know the tune itself is shit.)

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