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What is this technique called?

I've listened to a few tracks that seem to have a light narrow kick in the beginning and then come in with a heavy fuller kick later on. I was wondering if this is the same kick, just compressed differently. Or two new kicks all together? And what is the purpose of this? I'm confused.



Light kick :30
Hard kick 1:00

I'm at work so I can't listen but cutting all of the low frequencies of the kick usually gives it a lighter sound. Bringing in the heavier kick later is just used to add energy, I'd imagine.

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Originally posted by Kysora I'm at work so I can't listen but cutting all of the low frequencies of the kick usually gives it a lighter sound. Bringing in the heavier kick later is just used to add energy, I'd imagine.

Any tutorials on this?

i'm sure it's just a hi-pass on the kick/bass group or on the master (i didn't listen to the sample) but this is really common in house

Yeah same thing going on here:

Well I guess I'm the first to actually listen to the sample and I did not hear a change of any sort in the kick.
The kick at 30s in the first one is the same kick at 60s. So I'm not sure what you are talking about.

However as far as your question yes tons of people do that in their tracks sometimes. They start off with a hipassed kick, then either before or as they drop the bass they drop in the full kick to signify the song is starting or that the intro is over basically.

If thats what you are refering to thats all it is. But listening to your example I did not hear the kick change at all, and I'm on a bassy system too right now.

probably hipassed or eq dipped in the subs. why? ive done it before because my kick was really boomy in the mix, and waited for more elements to pop in before it unleashes.(also adds a step in change to the track)

why hes using it in this track? i can think of 2 reasons, 1, its a gradual effect on the track that gives it more energy and a slight suspended variation. 2nd, it could help with the transition to let the mids pop out before the kick snaps on fully, but its not necessary as the dj should compensate. just a subtle intro/outro method, nothing crazy.

At 2:58 there is a little hi-pass, just for the break...I suppose to let you enjoy the "beauty" of the atmosphere without lower frequencies that would sound boomy (annoying) and so destroy "the magic" of the moment, the "softness" : )

Brought at around 200hz.

i probably do this wrong but i layer two kicks, one highpassed at like 150-250hz and the other one really subby...i bring the sub kick into the arrangement when its needed

definitely helps give a track some dynamics in a musical sense. Keeping the same concept in mind while using a low pass filter instead of a high pass is fun as well.

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Originally posted by Blake_Jarrell i probably do this wrong but i layer two kicks, one highpassed at like 150-250hz and the other one really subby...i bring the sub kick into the arrangement when its needed

That's exactly what I do as well. Here is the result: http://www.mediafire.com/?zbm42hphzc2991s

sometimes i bandpass the top layer kick too just depending if i want the highs of it or not

By the way is this a very low chord lead in the beginning or an actual bass? I really can't tell the difference.

Sounds like a short bass with a bit of release on it and a fast closing LP env again with a bit of release to create the ambience after the pluck part of the bass.

I don't think its a chord however.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Sounds like a short bass with a bit of release on it and a fast closing LP env again with a bit of release to create the ambience after the pluck part of the bass. I don't think its a chord however.

You know any VST's that carry this type of bass?

I can't believe you guys can't hear the difference in the kicks. Wow.

Yes well really any vst will have it but if you need a specific one z3ta can do that great as well as sylenth.

But theres a specific preset in z3ta called "anabass" I have it in one of my packs. You would want to turn the resonance down about half way and at that point it sounds almost identical to this bass.

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Originally posted by OOPS! I can't believe you guys can't hear the difference in the kicks. Wow.

Look no offense. But "wow" right back to you.
I'm telling you there is NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL in that kick.

And I will also guarantee you 100% that every person who listens to it, will say the same thing. You seem to be the newbie here not us. And there are some people on this board who have been training their ears to hear shit like that for the last 25 years.

I'm telling you, they are both EXACTLY the same.
Do you need me to prove it to you because I can and will?

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Yes well really any vst will have it but if you need a specific one z3ta can do that great as well as sylenth. But theres a specific preset in z3ta called "anabass" I have it in one of my packs. You would want to turn the resonance down about half way and at that point it sounds almost identical to this bass.

Which pack is it? Anabass sounds really familiar. I probably have it.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Look no offense. But "wow" right back to you. I'm telling you there is NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL in that kick. And I will also guarantee you 100% that every person who listens to it, will say the same thing. You seem to be the newbie here not us. And there are some people on this board who have been training their ears to hear shit like that for the last 25 years. I'm telling you, they are both EXACTLY the same. Do you need me to prove it to you because I can and will?

I know what I'm talking about believe me. I played it nearly 10 times. He starts with a bit of high pass then alternates back throughout the entire song.

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Originally posted by OOPS! Which pack is it? Anabass sounds really familiar. I probably have it.

I don't know but I know its in the pack the opens automatically anytime I open z3ta so it may be a factory bank.

I can tell you this though the first preset of the bank is called
"8 bar first contact" which is a very common arp patch in z3ta. Keep browsing through your banks maybe and check all your first patches untill you find that one and it will be in there. If you can't find it I'll upload the bank for you.

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Originally posted by OOPS! I know what I'm talking about believe me. I played it nearly 10 times. He starts with a bit of high pass then alternates to low pass throughout the entire song.

Can you tell me precisely where you are hearing this change in the song? I'm going to take a closer look with some of my waves analyzers I'm very curious to see what you are hearing or if you're listening to a totally different part of the track or something.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I don't know but I know its in the pack the opens automatically anytime I open z3ta so it may be a factory bank. I can tell you this though the first preset of the bank is called "8 bar first contact" which is a very common arp patch in z3ta. Keep browsing through your banks maybe and check all your first patches untill you find that one and it will be in there. If you can't find it I'll upload the bank for you.

Got it

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Can you tell me precisely where you are hearing this change in the song? I'm going to take a closer look with some of my waves analyzers I'm very curious to see what you are hearing or if you're listening to a totally different part of the track or something.

The kicks before :30 are heavy.
Then right after :30 sec the kicks are high passed.

talking about changing kicks. mat zo usually puts a nice automation on it (i guess the high pass and maybe the sustain?) since it develops from very thin and short to deep(er) and more bass. you can hear this in the intro, its a lovely track too imo

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