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Okay a while back I started a thread regarding atheism... one which got some really pertinent ideas from some of the ppl here. As I have recently began studying more and more into the mythology of cultures and the afferent religions and beliefs (at this time I am studying Satanism), I thought of starting out something about.. well conceptions of misconceptions about what's these days become quite a hot subject.

So just post whatever U think of the subject of religions and their representants...

peace out! and believE!

hypRo

You study Satanism? Just out curiousity or do you practicize it too? I think it's good that you study on these subject, to get to know more about the "invisible world". What's your belief? Or R u an atheist? In that case it is intersesting that you DO study satanism, because satan also is some sort of god (of the underworld).

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Originally posted by Cosmic Guy In that case it is intersesting that you DO study satanism, because satan also is some sort of god (of the underworld).

Actually, no. Satan is originally known as the arch-angel Lucifer. One day he questioned why it was God loved humans more than his angels, so he and some of his fellow angels revolted. God and the arch-angel Michael punished them and sent them to Hell.

I am an atheist/agnostic. Why do I know that right there? Because I was a Catholic. But then I realized it was bull shit. I couldn't figure out what made humans so special, that we got a heaven, and other animals didn't. That and the Christian religion is so hypocrytical. God isn't loving or any of that bullshit. Just read the bible and you'll see PLENTY of quotes of your God telling his people to rape, murder, kidnap, commit genocide, etc, etc. If anything, he's a God of War Crimes. If you want, I could list a few examples, from both New and Old Testament.

And I study religion as well. Right now I'm currently studying Islam. Not because of the terrorists. I've been studying it for a few years now. But I'm just trying to find the Necromonican...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/I...2947303-8986453

according to him, Muhammad is the most influential person in history. With Jesus Christ being third.

the actual term for my belief is:

Atheist-Agnostic

and no i didn't make that up, there are two forums of Agnostic. Agnostic-Agnostic is for people who can't think very hard, imo.

why...erg...i've said it so many times it's hurt my head but if someone wants to know, just ask.

Weird how some of the people most interested in religion as a subject are atheist themself. I have a teacher who's dad was a minister and grew up studying the bible and such but now as an adult is an atheist. He knows all about the Catholic religion and has distinct and relevent reasons that he does not believe in it. I myself think people don't give enough attention to other religions beside their own. If they did this they could take the good parts of other religions and incorporate them into their own life but still keep their one main religion.

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If they did this they could take the good parts of other religions and incorporate them into their own life but still keep their one main religion.

There's nothing wrong with learning from other religions, but to accept the teaching of any religion at face value - particularly when you accept the teachings of one religion ahead of all others - you're running into trouble. If you're a Christian, then I can only ask why you reject the Islam faith and vice versa.

Religion can teach us some important things, but if you adhere to a specific religion then I feel that you're missing out on a lot.

For the record, I'm an atheist.

Well, I kinda meant 'learn from other religions'...maybe actually incorporating things from other religions might be too much. For example, one of the premises for the Budhist (sp?) is 'balance'...not too tight yet not too weak makes for the best.

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Originally posted by davinox the actual term for my belief is: Atheist-Agnostic

No offense dav,but isn't this term really a huge contradiction?An atheist believes there is no such thing as a higher power.An agnostic doesn't believe because he/she isn't certain about whether there isn't a higher power or not(that's the definition I've been told,anyways).How can you be both these things at the same time?

Well a "gnostic" is one who professes esoteric knowledge (and there's a specific Christian connetation to all this I believe) so an "agnsotic" would be one who doesn't profess this sort of knowledge.

In modern parlance, an agnostic is one who doesn't know precisely what they believe in, or if they believe in anything or not (i.e. 50% of the population - "I believe in something, but I don't know what") whereas an atheist is someone who believes in nothing mystical at all in this sense.

If you are an "atheist-agnostic" davinox, either you are much more familar with etymology and semantics than I am, or you've created an entire new position that fuses the concepts of "uncertain belief" and "no belief" together in an unholy matrimony.

- Zarathustra

I personally think most religion is a buncha bs, i mean people try so hard to be perfect.....they are crazy in the head, two of my freinds have hardcore Christian parents who are all nice around people but can go crazy its really scary, and my friends are just rebels to them and to everything they dont want them to do......I especially hate whne people try to force religion on other people, like my parents who make me go to booooooooorrrrrrrinnnnnnnnggggg church sometimes, or the people that come by your door, my 2 cents, im personally Agnostic


ag�nos�tic Pronunciation Key (g-nstk)
n.

One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something




a�the�ist Pronunciation Key (th-st)
n.
One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods

This is an interesting thread!

I'm an atheist, but i was raised to be a christian. I started to watch Discovery channel at the age of 7 or so, and when one thing in the bible after another gets repelled, you start to think that too. I can't believe in something wich is not proved, and where all the evidence is against it. Christians are explaining the bible differently every time, because there's always some evidence against it, so they say you have to interpret it in another way.....again.

Even when there would be a religion that was proved to be true, with evidence and all, I wouldn't believe in it, because if we just had a world without religion, there would be al LOT less agression, most of the wars that are going on or are finisched, have been there because of religion, so I can't be one of the hypocrits who tell everybody to love your neighbour, and simultaniously kill everybody because they don;t believe the same thing!!

And as an atheist, I'm always curious in how religious people can even try to believe those things, because I can't imagine it.

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according to him, Muhammad is the most influential person in history. With Jesus Christ being third.

just for the record, who's second?

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just for the record, who's second?

If it's the same "100 Most Important People in Histoy" book as the one I've read, then it's Isaac Newton.

Your guess is as good as mine.

my guess would be.... ME!!

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Originally posted by PaladinZero Actually, no. Satan is originally known as the arch-angel Lucifer. One day he questioned why it was God loved humans more than his angels, so he and some of his fellow angels revolted. God and the arch-angel Michael punished them and sent them to Hell. And I study religion as well. Right now I'm currently studying Islam. Not because of the terrorists. I've been studying it for a few years now. But I'm just trying to find the Necromonican...

k for starters, I am not a Satanist. I use the term agnostic too when it comes to my belief, to the extent that I do believe in a creating force, but I also believe it is not necessary a divinity... might as well be aliens.

Satan is one of the four 'devils' if U wish:

Satan - The Infernal Diatribe
Lucifer - The Enlightment
Belial - The Mastery of the Earth
Leviathan - The Raging Sea

and in fact satanism has the basis of a religion. but the whole story with the fallen archangel and all that is made by the church as far as I am aware. at least LaVey doesn't say anything about it

as for the Necromicron (if that is what U in fact are looking for) I happen to posses a E-Book (opr more... I think I have duplicates) and I also saw it in a book store.. go to Metaphysics and the likeness. if i find it (I am away from home right now) I might as well send it to U if U really are curious. also I have the Book of the Dead (Egyptian) and a couple of more occult and magick-related texts.

after Satanism I am going into a deeper analysis of the main religions and looking into their past.. I'd rather form my own belief taken from bits of the wisdon of the many.

hypRo

"What is a religious mind ... one needs a radical revolution ... revolution is synonymous with religion ... I mean a revolution in consciousness ... so that the mind is capable of seeing what is true ... this is the way of religion. I think the real, the true religious mind does exist, can exist ... one can discover such a mind for oneself ... a mind that has gone beyond to discover what is true, is the true religious mind. I want to find out, through denial, what is a religious mind ... I feel that through negation one can find out what is true. So, we are going to inquire into what the religious mind is through denial ... surely, to find reality, to find God ... the mind must be alone ... a fearless state in which there is no death ... for a mind that is alone there is no death. It is really extraordinary. If you have gone into that thing you discover for yourself that there is no such thing as death. Such a mind knows what destruction is ... destruction is creation ... so for the religious mind there is no time ... it is only the religious mind that can be in a state of creation ... in this creation is beauty ... a religious mind has this beauty which is not the appreciation of nature, the lovely mountains and the roaring stream ... a different beauty with which goes love ... you cannot separate beauty and love ... and with them is passion ... one cannot go far without passion ... beauty can only be there when there is passion. The religious mind, being in this state, has a peculiar quality of strength ... so, the religious mind does exist ... it is apart from all human endeavours ... therefore a religious mind can receive that which is not measurable by the brain ... that thing is unnameable ... to live in this state is the true religious mind." Jiddu Krishnamurti

live life, love life, love others

live it up

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Originally posted by hypronix Okay a while back I started a thread regarding atheism... one which got some really pertinent ideas from some of the ppl here. As I have recently began studying more and more into the mythology of cultures and the afferent religions and beliefs (at this time I am studying Satanism), I thought of starting out something about.. well conceptions of misconceptions about what's these days become quite a hot subject. So just post whatever U think of the subject of religions and their representants... peace out! and believE! hypRo

Well, i am a former christian now atheist. I was disgusted how the church treated certain people and welcomed others. I know the church is run by people and therefore cannot be directly associated with Him. However, i cannot support any religion that openly discriminates against others. I refuse to believe that a "good" person who lives their lives justly and helps others is going to hell simply because they do not believe. This is just how i feel and its not a reflection on how christians are. So please don't get offended. I am speaking from my experiences only. Since turning away from christianity, i have actually studied alot of philosophy. I came across a intersting problem with christianity. Gods greatest gift to man was FREE WILL. The ability to choose our destiny and the paths we walk. However, if God is all-knowing/seeing, then He knows what we will choose and do even before we do. Thus, in reality for man, free will does not exist. How can someone else know what we will choose to do even before we do? God being a all knowing/seeing entity defeats the concept of free will. I have posed this questions to ministers and church goers alike. For the most part, it baffles many and at least they are honest about it. Some others simply give the copout answer that only God can answer the questions i pose. Well, this is just my experiences or thoughts on religion.

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for the record I am christian (not catholic).

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Originally posted by Elysium Gods greatest gift to man was FREE WILL. The ability to choose our destiny and the paths we walk. However, if God is all-knowing/seeing, then He knows what we will choose and do even before we do. Thus, in reality for man, free will does not exist. How can someone else know what we will choose to do even before we do? God being a all knowing/seeing entity defeats the concept of free will.

.. how do you come to this conclusion?

Just because God can see what we do before we do it, does not mean that we don't have Free Will.

I think that the catholic religion has some strange aspects to it, and I really don't understand them. Some contradict their own lessons etc. So I choose not to follow the catholic way, or any other 'labled' way. I take in certain ideas from them, from the bible, and then interpret them mydslf, rather than being confined to doing what an institution is telling me based on how THEY interpreted them. Some people who go to church every sunday, pray the lords prayer every night, and so on, may not actually be REAL christians, but people trying to, in a sense, earn their way into heaven. you have to have an internal relationship with God, without feeling obligated to do what he wants.

I realize how this religion can seem false to many people.. but I don't believe it is. Just actually think about your existence for alittle while.. Look at the millions of gallaxies in the univers, all the stars, planets, the earth. The complexity of the human body, the human mind... how can this just come into existance by itself? how is it possible that we are all living here, with an extreemly advanced civilization, if we originated from those little water cell thingys.
when I look at this stuff, I can just see that it is the work of God.

these are my views, respond if you disagree.

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Originally posted by DJ Chrono for the record I am christian (not catholic). .. how do you come to this conclusion? Just because God can see what we do before we do it, does not mean that we don't have Free Will. I think that the catholic religion has some strange aspects to it, and I really don't understand them. Some contradict their own lessons etc. So I choose not to follow the catholic way, or any other 'labled' way. I take in certain ideas from them, from the bible, and then interpret them mydslf, rather than being confined to doing what an institution is telling me based on how THEY interpreted them. Some people who go to church every sunday, pray the lords prayer every night, and so on, may not actually be REAL christians, but people trying to, in a sense, earn their way into heaven. you have to have an internal relationship with God, without feeling obligated to do what he wants. I realize how this religion can seem false to many people.. but I don't believe it is. Just actually think about your existence for alittle while.. Look at the millions of gallaxies in the univers, all the stars, planets, the earth. The complexity of the human body, the human mind... how can this just come into existance by itself? how is it possible that we are all living here, with an extreemly advanced civilization, if we originated from those little water cell thingys. when I look at this stuff, I can just see that it is the work of God. these are my views, respond if you disagree.

First, if God can truly see everything and know what we will do even before we do it, Free Will cannot exist. How can someone else know what we will do even before we have decided. For example, lets say u are a store debating whether to buy a coke or pepsi. Since, the definition of God is omnipotent, He can see the past, now, and the future. So even before u decide which cola to buy, God will know what u will choose. Where it might seem to us, we have made this choice of our own volition, in actuality God knows the choices we will make all along. If God is truly omnipotent,all knowing, all seeing, He will already know all the choices we make before we even make them. Thus, our destiny is pre-determined. This leaves me to 2 conclusions. Either, the idea of free will is a complete fallacy or God is not omnipotent. You can choose to believe either one. I have concluded from my readings that the concept of Free Will is contradicted by the existence of God itself. I do agree with taking ideas and lessons from the bible and and incorporating them into my life and have done so. But, i am one of those people who believe that the Bible ws simply meant to be a guide. There are alot of people who literally think that what is descibed in the bible actually happened. Plus, you are right when it comes to interpretations. It can lead to many different conclusions. But its what angers me. People who take things into their own hands. People killing abortion doctors claiming they are messengers of God, hating on gay people etc etc. what angers me about religion and people is the lack of respect for everything else that isn't included within its guidelines. as for comteplating my origins and surroundings, sometimes i do wonder how it all began. For this i have no answer. But religious or not, i think the most important thing is Faith. I have it in myself and the people around me and in life. I don't feel that faith in God is of any consequence as long as i have it in my life.

Hehehee, I got such stick in High School from some of my classmates.
Get this, I r agnostic/athiest (in that I dont believe in a higher power, but something more like karma) and some of my classmate were (at least they believed so) very religious. I was in a Christian school.

So whenever there was a religious debate, and I'd air a scientific/objective view, I would get stick. I mean c'mon! My main cause for grief was this stupid cow. Considered herself to be oh so religious, yet had a child at 16 and goes out and gets pissed every week-end

I would use a simple statement like "So it's 'An eye for an eye' yet we must 'turn the other cheek' too?" This would get them riled up.
The bible is too contradictory for me. And a bit too far fetched for be to believe, as I have have read sci-fi books more believable.
If I can see some proof, other than a really old and long bed time story, then mebbe I will belive in something.

Right now, I believe in morals. Good things happen to good people, what goes around comes around.

Cheerz
kr00t0n

I was raised be NOT a christian. My parents send me to a christian primary school (not that strict but okay). I don't seem to have any permanent braindamage from that time...

No but seriously, I am an atheist and I am happy I've got that experience with the christian believe. I've lost faith in the believe when I found out that there were no hard proofs of the existance of any god. Maybe also because I went to I public highschool.

And what I always say about the christians...

How can you trust in a book that has been written 2000 years ago or something. In the time ppl couldn't explain what something meant, so they pointed at a GOD.

(this is MY opinion okay, leave me in one piece)

God does exist.
And there is a meaning to life ..... aha

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Originally posted by hypronix Satan - The Infernal Diatribe Lucifer - The Enlightment Belial - The Mastery of the Earth Leviathan - The Raging Sea hypRo

huh a leviathan is most certainly got nothing to do with satan mate. It's a prehistor beast or quite probably a dinosaur as we'd call it.

has anyone using the argument that gods made people do this or that, killing people etc etc ever taken into consideration the fact that God made Adam and Eve (going by the KJV) and gave them everything they needed. His first commandment to them was what? (only the original untouched KJV will say it as it is)

He said to them be Fruitful and multiply which in non shakespearean english means fuck and have fun (having sex was not why adam and eve left the garden)

God made man in his own image and in the image of god he made them ..... male and female

what does that say?

God is a trinity composed of himself, the holy spirit (his wife) and jesus his son.

God gave man his own choice and always has. He told him not to eat from the tree of good and evil because "if ye do she shall become as gods, knowing good and evil"

So what does he do, eve gives it to him to eat from and he did. There's mans quest for knowledge power and our inherent path of self destruction. (which we're doing just fine on)

Man has always made our own choices in history. For fucks sake leave god out of it

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