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having some problems with beatmatching

I think I have easily managed to get a hold of beatmatching although I am having some problems. I might put 2 records on and beatmatch them fairly easy e.g. tiesto - lethal industry with rhytm gangsta - the crowd song. Then I might put another 2 records e.g. push - tranzy state of mind with dirt devils - the drill (evacuation mix) and I can't match a single beat. The problem is that the beats in these two are 'weak' (if that is a correct statement). I'm listening to one track the headphones and the other is playing live and I can't clearly hear the beats of those two in order to beatmatch. Maybe also because there are a lot of synths in these two and when I'm listeninig to both of them at the same time it's driving me crazy. Will I be able to beatmatch tracks like this later on when my ears get more training? thanx for any advise given.

Re: having some problems with beatmatching

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Originally posted by P`zazz Will I be able to beatmatch tracks like this later on when my ears get more training?

Yes. With experience you won't be relying entirely on the beat. You will be able to beatmatch using different frequency ranges (like highats in the upper range). This way you will be able to beatmatch with whatever occurs on every beat. Doesn't necessarily have to be the drum beat itself.

As for your current dilemma, I know that the Evacuation mix of The Drill does have a strong beat. If you're having problems beatmatching those two, try isolating the beat of the cued track by using the EQ's. Conversely, depending on your mixer, try out different ways of beatmatching. Instead of the traditional one-eared monitoring, try playing one channel through the left earcup and the other channel through the right, and beatmatch within your headphones. Or you could even have both channels playing at the same time in stereo, all within your headphones. Again, your mixer may or may not be able to do these, but many (most?) can.

Hope that helps. With practice it will come to you, there's no question about that. So practice!

heheh thanx man, I just need some confidence and motivation I guess, something to keep me going

I understand you, sometimes it all might get frustrating enough that you need some encouragement. But the "troublesome" learning-to-beatmatch phase passes by fairly quickly if you practice regularly. It's a an inverse curve - you learn the majority of the skill quickly, then spend a lot of time fine-tuning. So once you get the essential beatmatching concept down, which usually takes a few months at the most, you will spend a lot more time getting the real feel of it. In time you will be able to get two tracks beatmatched very quickly, to the point that you won't think about it, you'll just feel it. Your ears will know. Sometimes I don't even beatmatch beforehand, but do it while mixing in the new track.

So..ah..the point of all this was... practice!! Oh and that it won't take you that long to learn the basics if you stick to it. If you practice once a week or once every two weeks or something like that then obviously it'll take more time.

Happy mixing!

If your mixer has a cue fader, that is a dial, or a slider that acts like a cross fader for your headphones, then use this.

Try starting off with only listening to the cued track. Then slowly bring in the live track into the headphones. This should help you be able to distinguish the two songs better

As Alccode said, it needs a lot of practice to be good in beatmatching! Try practicing 2-3 hours a day for 2 months.Your skills will improve much more and you'll be happier with the results!

Never let it take you down.I remember that I couldn't make a nice beatmatched crossfade with Iio aka Vaiio - Rapture (Deep Dish Mix)! So, what did I do? I tried to rely on other elements of the track.And I mean the hihats! They might help in some tracks, most of them have same times with the kicks and basses! Check it out dude!

And for your good, get a good mixer. What was mentioned in this thread can be done with Numark mixers (listening from the left side, source 1 in mixer, and from right, source 2 or vice versa). Numark mixers are good in practice and in features. But buy whatever you want, I am just suggesting!

Keep DJing and never stop...

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...?threadid=64571

if you can figure out just what i'm taling about, try it
it worked for me

I want to add a thing I forgot before...

When trying to beatmatch, do not try the intro of the song ( e.g. the first +40 seconds! Try to advance in the track in other parts that may help you! E.g. at the end, in the middle, after 1-2 minutes of the real duration! You may all find beatmatching easier!

How so, do you mean don't try beatmatching on really short intro's? This doesn't make sense to me

I think what steve is sayin is that, when tryin to beatmatch the track don't start it at the begining, instead go more towards the middle of the track where you have all the sounds goin and it might be alittle bit easier to match the track then. How does that sound Steve? Did I say what you wanted to say ?

really, cause i cue up to the first sound of a track, and i let er rip

but then again, i don't spin epic trance or anyhting like that, i spin hard house and hard trance, so in most of my tracks i have some sort of beat structure, be it bassline or a high end with a structured beat

as long as there is a constant beat that is the same as the rest of the track, you can beatmatch it

an established local dj once told me, if it has a beat, you can mix it, no matter what it is, as long as it has a structered beat

Instead of using the first sound or the middle of the track, I use the first bass beat. Some tracks have the main bass beat going from the very first beat, while others have an intro that you have to "fast forward" to the first beat. Ultimately, as a dj, you have to descide on your track order. There are some transitions that are very difficult, and others that seem to flow naturally. As a dj, you have to practice and make the tracks work together.

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Originally posted by Bear4569 I think what steve is sayin is that, when tryin to beatmatch the track don't start it at the begining, instead go more towards the middle of the track where you have all the sounds goin and it might be alittle bit easier to match the track then. How does that sound Steve? Did I say what you wanted to say ?

Heh, that's it! When you have more sounds, you can choose 1 and concentrate on ti to have a smooth beatmatch!

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Originally posted by DJ_Shockwav as long as there is a constant beat that is the same as the rest of the track, you can beatmatch it an established local dj once told me, if it has a beat, you can mix it, no matter what it is, as long as it has a structered beat

That's the reason that Metal/rock DJs don't exist, their music doesn't have a structured beat!

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Originally posted by Dj Flesch Instead of using the first sound or the middle of the track, I use the first bass beat. Some tracks have the main bass beat going from the very first beat, while others have an intro that you have to "fast forward" to the first beat. Ultimately, as a dj, you have to descide on your track order. There are some transitions that are very difficult, and others that seem to flow naturally. As a dj, you have to practice and make the tracks work together.

Hell yeah, you need a lot of practicing! Trust me! The more you practice, the more satisfied you'll be with your mixing skills thereafter!

Btw which one is better to use ? pause the track or use the cue function ?? coz i find it almost the same


Peace, LeVouS

try tapping your feet : P hehehe jk ok practice makes perfect as everyone says...im not perfect yet so im still practicing but i think im getting better.....

Match the clap!

i also have probs at the moment. with my mk2s.
i have them for 2 weeks now. before i had belt drive tables and i was perfect in beatmatching. now i habe problems. whats wrong?

once u get used to the feel of them ull be alright.

good to hear. is that normal when chaning to a mk2?

yeh just wait a little and youll get used to it.

Do not beat match songs that has a break beat in the begining. Especially if your a newbie. Stick with the basics.

i am not a newbie. i only have probs with the mk2. in the headphone they sound matched but in live they are going away.

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