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Do you work in 44.1 or 96khz?

I accidentally started working on a track in 96khz and now it's to the point where my computer keeps choking on it. Completely stripped the project down to the bare minimum and it's still pushing her too hard. This is one of those things where I'm not totally convinced it matters. Is there a human being that can really hear the difference between 44.1 and 96khz audio? What's the point?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquis...ampling_theorem

In spite of my shitty monitor kit, I work entirely in 96K. Most people probably won't be able to tell the difference between two identical tracks composed entirely in one or the other, but I'm of the belief it's a decided advantage when operating and rendering at higher resolutions. I think any advantage I can muster will help with the quality - even that which might seem imperceptible.

cant you just change to 44,1? or do you have alot of recorded wavs? what daw you using? when i first started out i was using 48kHz 24bit rendering, but later figured out its pointless with todays standards. i really hope this will change though because there is a serious big difference. Hopefully DJ-CD players will be 96kHz 24bit soon (SACD be the standard in dj players). I said this in the 90s. Then came mp3 as a response lol. I was sad. Now im just numb.

44.1 Baby, on my lavry black DA10

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Originally posted by clay cant you just change to 44,1? or do you have alot of recorded wavs? what daw you using?

Yeah for this one it's mostly recorded wavs. Usually I work with just MIDI data and record one or two tracks off the synths but if you bounce every track to audio you have a lot more control with EQing and what not. Using logic on a 2.4ghz MBP with an Intel SSD (should never have to go into freeze land with this thing)

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Originally posted by CalvP ...the problem is can the consumer HEAR that on a pair of shitty ipod headphones

.. or even a pair of Genelecs? I don't really think so. It's gotta get converted down to 44.1 anyway when all is said and done as Clay said that's still the standard.

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Originally posted by orTof�nChiLd 44.1 Baby, on my lavry black DA10

lol youre such a poser

i want to upgrade my dac you guys know of any companies better than lavry?


man i want the focals of dac power

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Originally posted by CalvP You have the focal of dac power...now you just need the focal of focals Seriously though, you have a GREAT convertor. With a treated room, the yamahas could definitely be improved if that's what you're looking for? PS i hate you for having the Technics 1210 M5G! no fair

yup i guess thats whats left, the focals

The technics are great man

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Originally posted by CalvP I'm saving for a pair of focal twins atm as it happens; it's absolute hell haha! the new sm9's look absolutely unreal, but way out of my price range. I'm gonna get a pair of twins (with the sub8), auratone mixcubes & ns10s & be done with monitoring forever. What size room do you have? the focal solos are also brilliant...the cheaper focal cms65s are great too. The m5g has to be the sweetest looking turntable of all time i still have a pair of the m3's...vinyl for life

I wanna get the Focal SM9, you can pick either pick 3 way or 2 way but its insanely expensive.
My studio is set up in my bedroom with out any treatment because of my laziness to buy foamtak.

okay can we talk about sample rate plz

sorry about that, anyway i tried mixing (DJ)(Traktor) in 96 and there is no difference meaning it wasn't easier or harder if that has to do with anything

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Originally posted by CalvP Treatment Treatment Treatment Treatment Treatment, trust me without it you're not even hearing the fidelity of your yamahas; let alone your great converter. Send the sm9's to me, i'll keep them safe in "storage" for you until then Apologies sir questions? shoot

yeah i'm going to treat my room when i buy a new mac pro, man i want the sm9 so badly. I think I'm going to upgrade to the air series for dynaudio

I used to do 96khz but now just do 44khz because I can get so much more out of my CPU doing 44khz. You really need a powerful rig to work comfortably at those higher levels. Does it matter? To some, yes. On the extreme end of things, you have Deadmau5 who writes at 192khz 32bit. Now imagine the machine you'd need to write comfortably at that level. On the flip side, if I had a powerful enough computer to write tracks at 96khz comfortably, then I probably would because at that point, it's not going to hurt anything.

44.1khz is good enough for me, tried higher rates but couldnt hear any improvement

orfanchild has gas lol.

u wont be able to tell much of a difference on monitors, but on a nice soundsystem i think there is a noticeable difference. most laypeople wont know what to hear for and some people just dont have ears that can pick up the differences, but there is one.
my advice is when producing to stick to the highest your computer can handle, but on a mixdown and recording audio try to go higher.

you can always downlsample later, but you cant go up

It doesn't matter.

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Originally posted by clay orfanchild has gas lol.

yeah i got gas

I have a grossly underpowered 8yo pentium 4. Going greater than 44.1 on this thing would probably turn it into a smouldering, bubbling mess on the floor.

44.1 but I do notice sometimes when I rip a track, that anything that is borderline background sounds, don't come through as prominent as I like it. In that case, I rerip with the volume turned up. I tried to create an entire track at 96khz and on a 4gig RAM and 2.7 ghz cpu almost always ran out of processing power. Plus I figured I barely noticed a difference.

i'm gonna sell my virus, jp, bm12a's and start saving for the sm9 with treatment

shame on me, I'm still at 16/44.1 after all those years, except when working for video which requires 48.

I just couldn't be bothered. Why do this when the only real result I'll get out of it is that CPU limitations will be a problem again? It works fine the way it is and I'm happy with the way my music sounds, these details are hardly relevant for me.

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Originally posted by CalvP DUUUUUUUDE chill DIY treatment will cost next to nothing; a behringer ecm8000 measurement mic, free room eq wizard software & some of your time...get that done & see what your BM12's sound like; they're far from poor monitors! ethan winners acoustics forum has everything you could ever need

yes i'll chill

I work both personally and professioanlly at various different sample rates and bit depths so here's my take.

If you're recording anything, then always capture at the highest possible SR and BT. Doesn't matter if your project isn't as high, at least you'll always have the source in pristine quality.

Now for mixing, I know one of the mix engineers for score, only works in 96k, and will walk out of the entire signal chain is not coherant. He hears the difference, but in fairness he's probably one of the best engineers alive, and his credits are simply staggering.

I know others, in the same league as him that don't give a shit, and just work at 48 or 88k depending on the project format defaults.

However all of the work in 32b floating point, and I once saw probably the most respected score mixer, loose it and freak out over the fact our digital desk, drops down to just 32 bit (not float) when you make it run a outrageous number of tracks and busses.

So basically, to some SR makes all the difference in the world and to others, they're happy with common lower standards.

Personally, my feeling is this: if you can work (i.e. your machine can handle it) in 96k and 32BTFP then you should, and only render down for the master print (note - I did not use "bounce"). If you have good enough equipment, such as great monitors, room treatment and a very nice dac, you will be able to hear more, and therefore both produce, mix and engineer to a greater degree of detail, meaning that even if the finished product is going to be lower quality, you'll still have a better result due to the process.

If you're knocking out disposable EDM, in your bedroom, all just existing samples or midi, with entry level speakers and a consumer DAC, then just work at 44.1 as you'll not ever hear the difference.

P.S. I've got a pair of Technics MK5G's as well

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