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Your thoughts on Carl Cox?

Guy always manages to pack the tents at festivals, and pack the clubs... but I never really hear people on here talk about him. I've found some nice songs by tuning into his Global mix show, and haven't found much to dislike every time I've seen him live (outside of the massive crowd he usually brings in). What do you guys think?

I know what you mean. He seems to have lost all relevance, but none of his popularity.

Agreed, but it's been like that for a while now hasn't it? For me his relevancy kind of ended during the 90s. Not sure when or why. I'd still go and see him at a club if I had the chance (unless there's a ridiculous ticket price) as I still think he throw down some interesting sets

On the other hand, he never really hit it off as a producer ever did he? His draw has always been as a DJ, never as the creator of some hit track. So perhaps his relevancy has never been in the traditional sense to begin with

His mixing skills are top-notch without a shadow of a doubt. Can't say the same about his productions, though he had some decent ones like "Give Me Your Love".
Bottom line - the guy knows how to make the crowd dancing, but he seems to slowed down the bpm nowadays [miss his 01-05 style].

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Originally posted by Johan (DJ Irish) Agreed, but it's been like that for a while now hasn't it? For me his relevancy kind of ended during the 90s. Not sure when or why. I'd still go and see him at a club if I had the chance (unless there's a ridiculous ticket price) as I still think he throw down some interesting sets On the other hand, he never really hit it off as a producer ever did he? His draw has always been as a DJ, never as the creator of some hit track. So perhaps his relevancy has never been in the traditional sense to begin with

Good analysis.

what is this relevancy thing you guys speak of? what does that mean exactly? he packs clubs and tents because when he plays he causes large masses of bodies to move non stop, and thats the most important thing.

case in point:

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Originally posted by stev� what is this relevancy thing you guys speak of? what does that mean exactly? he packs clubs and tents because when he plays he causes large masses of bodies to move non stop, and thats the most important thing.

It means his incidence with currently popular trends, which is usually an important part of both measuring and maintaining success. Nobody talks about Carl Cox - there's no journalistic features by him, no threads about him, no artists mention him in interviews, he doesn't seem to feature highly on popularity polls, no matter who is being polled. I don't see his records in shops anymore, he doesn't come up on Beatport or Amazon. He seems to be completely irrelevant to everything happening in dance music, which would normally mean his popularity would go down. Certainly if I were just getting into dance music in 2011 Carl Cox would not register as a major DJ.

This was a guy, don't forget, who was once #1 on the DJ Mag poll, who spent so much time on the front cover of Mixmag he took out a mortgage on it, who had cameos in films like Human Traffic and It's All Gone Pete Tong. In the late '90s, you couldn't get away from Carl Cox. Compared to those days, he's totally invisible. How do people know he "he causes large masses of bodies to move non stop" when nobody talks about him? Is he just drawing the same crowd every year?

always liked these tracks, as dated as they do sound now;

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J It means his incidence with currently popular trends, which is usually an important part of both measuring and maintaining success. Nobody talks about Carl Cox - there's no journalistic features by him, no threads about him, no artists mention him in interviews, he doesn't seem to feature highly on popularity polls, no matter who is being polled. I don't see his records in shops anymore, he doesn't come up on Beatport or Amazon. He seems to be completely irrelevant to everything happening in dance music, which would normally mean his popularity would go down. Certainly if I were just getting into dance music in 2011 Carl Cox would not register as a major DJ. This was a guy, don't forget, who was once #1 on the DJ Mag poll, who spent so much time on the front cover of Mixmag he took out a mortgage on it, who had cameos in films like Human Traffic and It's All Gone Pete Tong. In the late '90s, you couldn't get away from Carl Cox. Compared to those days, he's totally invisible. How do people know he "he causes large masses of bodies to move non stop" when nobody talks about him? Is he just drawing the same crowd every year?

thanks for that explanation. i now know that relevancy is irrelevant to me (as in, not important to me).

he's probably still popular because he does a good job keeping a dancefloor moving without resorting to cheesy vocals, or churning out releases that aspire to be innovative but end up not being actually good music. it sounds like carl cox's story is a great one that says: even in this day and age, word of mouth and actually doing a good job as a dj carries more weight in the long run, than what magazines and media choose to cover.

it sounds like relevancy = putting out releases or pioneering a new sound, because that's what grabs the media's attention and gets you mentioned in interviews and gets people talking about you. skrillex is a good example of that.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I know what you mean. He seems to have lost all relevance, but none of his popularity.

I've been having this same kind of thought about him, lately.

I've noticed that whenever Global comes on (Sirius radio) I always enjoy it, but I never hear anyone talk about him.

It's probably like Johan says, he isn't really knocking out hit records or starting breakthrough trends. He's just doing what he's good at. I think we're just used to seeing the "stars" fizzle out instead of chugging along just fine.

I agree with the others. shit songs, savage sets. phoebus apollo is alright though.

lost all interest in him when he starting playing that Tim Deluxe/Pontape mashup - shocking

I listened to that live at the Crobar cd a lot back in the day, enjoyed it.

That Dave Clarke geezer is in the same boat. Still djing everywhere but you never hear anyone talking much about him.

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Originally posted by chode_breath That Dave Clarke geezer is in the same boat. Still djing everywhere but you never hear anyone talking much about him.

you do know he's mixing the newest fabric comp?

Still my favorite "live" DJ. Insane mixing coupled with non stop rhythm

no one knows whether he tips or not

You know what, it IS pretty funny because I never ever ever EVER hear ANYBODY talk about him. I never even listened to his music in my life.

Then, all of a sudden while I'm on vacation in Macedonia, I see flyers for Carl Cox with an opening set by John Digweed. 8,000 people showed up on the beach to see them!!! WTF? I didn't even know people over there even knew about him.

Another cool thing: It was carl cox's birthday that night and everyone sang it to him when he came on

A photo I took of the event.


As a comparison, david guetta came 3 days later and drew a crowd of 10,000. Hmmmm... and I always hear EVERYONE talk about him. Not only that, but they play his shit music a lot in macedonia.

Anyway, I'm a trance guy and never though I'd ever care to see cox live but I was pleasantly surprised. YES his mixing is flawless, holy shit. I enjoyed digweed a little better (another guy I never listened to ever besides Heaven Scent).

Well, there is this.

http://www.residentadvisor.net/podc...spx?exchange=53

My thoughts?

Mainly:



Sometimes this:

Just like Danny Tenaglia, they're known for their DJing skills. If this wasn't trance addict you could probably add Sasha to 'not relevant'.. I've never seen Cox but he's in town this sunday at Stereo and I got my ticket. He's playing an extended set, Nicole Moudaber is opening. Tickets online are sold out and I think only a few will be sold at the door..

Come in with condoms on each finger ready to learn. This I will learn you.

Saw him play out in Houston like two years ago. I wasn't impressed. The set he played was a bunch of lifeless cold soulless dead tech with a decent track here and there. A few friends and i left before it was over. Although i remember wanting to stay for some reason but ended up leaving.
He gets into it though. Speaking on the mic and what not (Which i more often then not don't appreciate. I feel it distracts from the music). Getting the crowd all pumped. Bouncing around in the dj booth. But in all fairness; i think i'm of the few that didn't enjoy his set. The crowd was going nuts to the music he was playing.

Based on his radio show and releases, I didn't think he was that special. But I saw him live for the first time at Monster Massive last year, and it blew me away. He's amazing live. He uses samples and track edits a lot, so you hear songs live that you'll never hear anywhere else. Plus techno always sounds best live, because it needs a lot of bass to shine.

Some videos of that gig (thanks to fellow TA trance_seeker):

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