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Posted by RoryJames on Sep-05-2011 15:14:

A conversation between JOOF and Christopher Lawrence

Here is a Skype conversation between John 00 Fleming and Christopher Lawrence. I recorded this from youtube and put together the most important parts that had the most meaning. The original conversation was 10 minutes long, but I cut it down to just 3 minutes. It's kind of like a mini interview between the 2 of them on their thoughts about the change of the scene and how the music impacts them and the fans. Just 3 minutes of your time is all I ask, and I am sure there are some parts within this 3 minutes that many of you will agree with


http://soundcloud.com/roryjames/a-conversation-between

A Conversation between Christopher Lawrence & John 00 Fleming by RoryJames


Thoughts?


Posted by aNYthing on Sep-05-2011 15:45:



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Posted by Dreyth on Sep-05-2011 19:31:

^^ Is that sarcasm? because i agree with CL and joof


Posted by cl0wnz0r on Sep-05-2011 21:03:

agree with them entirely. not sure if i can say the same for CL's sets recently


Posted by djtrinity on Sep-06-2011 00:56:

guys like this are a dying breed....I'm with them totally! its really sad what the scene has become.....at least the underground is alive and strong with techno .....I really dont think we have to worry about that getting commercialized ever....

there used to be so much emotion in the club......now there is cameras and texting on the dancefloor


Posted by djtrinity on Sep-06-2011 15:24:

also alot of blame has to go to the internet....back when PVD,S&D etc were play'n twilo.....u would not know 80% of what they were play'n and to get a live set from the net back then was like GOLD....
now as we all know , they are more than enuf sets to encircle the globe, u know what your gonna for the most part and alot of surprise factor is gone....I remember reading this is why liebing doesn't let most of his sets get recorded...because he doesnt want to ruin the moment


Posted by AY STAR on Sep-06-2011 15:47:

quote:
Originally posted by djtrinity
also alot of blame has to go to the internet....back when PVD,S&D etc were play'n twilo.....u would not know 80% of what they were play'n and to get a live set from the net back then was like GOLD....
now as we all know , they are more than enuf sets to encircle the globe, u know what your gonna for the most part and alot of surprise factor is gone....I remember reading this is why liebing doesn't let most of his sets get recorded...because he doesnt want to ruin the moment


yea today everyone and their mother has some sort of radio show or podcast, so music is more exposed
top dj's can still be supriseing if they wanted to but they are too afriad of loseing their dj mag rank to take a chance and play some underground stuff, so they stick with the commercial stuff/sing a long tracks


def a good interview
joof,lawernce,dave ralph,matt hardwick,askew and a few other dj's have all said how the scene has changed its def not the same
thats why i venture out to more techno,prog and local dj partys now
cause i know i wont be disapointed and hear the same top 10 beatport tracks

but i do feel it's going to take someone bigger or alot more dj's to get the point across about how bad the trance scene has become
it's a shame knowing that if joof were to come to nyc probly only 50-100 people would show up but if arty or dash berlin were to come the club would be rammed


Posted by djtrinity on Sep-06-2011 15:57:

quote:
Originally posted by AY STAR
yea today everyone and their mother has some sort of radio show or podcast, so music is more exposed
top dj's can still be supriseing if they wanted to but they are too afriad of loseing their dj mag rank to take a chance and play some underground stuff, so they stick with the commercial stuff/sing a long tracks


def a good interview
joof,lawernce,dave ralph,matt hardwick,askew and a few other dj's have all said how the scene has changed its def not the same
thats why i venture out to more techno,prog and local dj partys now
cause i know i wont be disapointed and hear the same top 10 beatport tracks

but i do feel it's going to take someone bigger or alot more dj's to get the point across about how bad the trance scene has become
it's a shame knowing that if joof were to come to nyc probly only 50-100 people would show up but if arty or dash berlin were to come the club would be rammed




I love how alot of these guys try to be 'politically correct' when discussing this stuff.....I dont think alot of big dj's care if it goes back to the way it was...alls they care about is being number one and fillin there pockets....I still for the life of me cant figure out why people continue to vote in these contests they should be boycotted!!! these guys are such egomaniacs! also alot of the younger generation doesn't even know how it used to be...so they think its great now, they dont even see anything wrong


Posted by AY STAR on Sep-06-2011 16:00:

quote:
Originally posted by djtrinity
also alot of the younger generation doesn't even know how it used to be...so they think its great now, they dont even see anything wrong


def a sign that were getting old ha ha


Posted by djtrinity on Sep-06-2011 16:03:

quote:
Originally posted by AY STAR
def a sign that were getting old ha ha


yeees unfortunately I'm gonna wind up being one of those 'creepy old guys' at the club soon ....if not already!!!!! LMAO


Posted by Chaska on Sep-06-2011 18:33:

A-fuckin'-men. I called this a very long time ago.

The scene is still well here in NY, people are a lot more educated about music than in most places in this country and support their locals and there are always a lot of possibilities every weekend for everyone.

You also have to consider that in this day and age, electronic music is everywhere now and it's commercialised, it's been taken to the masses and it can't be taken back at this point... The people that are in the scene for the right reasons still go out and go to the right places to hear good music, not to be seen and hear what's popular.

There are always true music people and there are always the trend followers (or as I like to call them as of late, "the bandwagon jumpers"), there seems to be a lot of them nowadays. Find yourself in the right side of that line and you'll get what you are looking for


Posted by euphoria on Sep-06-2011 19:15:

lol sample it for the next rory james track


Posted by cl0wnz0r on Sep-06-2011 21:26:

quote:
Originally posted by euphoria
lol sample it for the next rory james track


still waiting for the infamous psycho WMC cab driver track. that man deserves an award for being the most hateful psycho cab driver in miami!


Posted by lounger540 on Sep-07-2011 06:03:

On the flip side, year after year I'm discovering new producers, djs and parties that continue to blow me away. And then half the time I'm shocked to discover they were right under my nose all along. It's a big scene and yeah while Tiesto and AvB might make you cringe when you think back to their glory days, now could be the glory days of some other niche of EDM. It's crazy to think how deep the rabbit hole of 4/4 truly goes. I'm just fortunate I'm in a city where I get to experience it first hand after sitting on the side lines as a young teenager during the 'glory' rave days.


Posted by DJ Eco on Sep-07-2011 11:56:

quote:
Originally posted by cl0wnz0r
agree with them entirely. not sure if i can say the same for CL's sets recently



Yeah, J00F's always been pushing shit forward, but everytime I've seen Chris, it sounds like a 1999 timewarp, maybe not in a good way. He seems like a nice guy and dedicated to the scene though, so that's always a good thing..


Posted by SebG on Sep-07-2011 13:29:

quote:
Originally posted by AY STAR
yea today everyone and their mother has some sort of radio show or podcast, so music is more exposed
top dj's can still be supriseing if they wanted to but they are too afriad of loseing their dj mag rank to take a chance and play some underground stuff, so they stick with the commercial stuff/sing a long tracks


def a good interview
joof,lawernce,dave ralph,matt hardwick,askew and a few other dj's have all said how the scene has changed its def not the same
thats why i venture out to more techno,prog and local dj partys now
cause i know i wont be disapointed and hear the same top 10 beatport tracks

but i do feel it's going to take someone bigger or alot more dj's to get the point across about how bad the trance scene has become
it's a shame knowing that if joof were to come to nyc probly only 50-100 people would show up but if arty or dash berlin were to come the club would be rammed




Exactly this.


Posted by aNYthing on Sep-22-2011 01:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Dreyth
^^ Is that sarcasm? because i agree with CL and joof


I think it was made pretty clear that I was agreeing...

I guess I was wrong..

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back on topic:

Face it - shit won't be the same. Internet started this shit back in 99 - 2000 with napster/audiogalaxy/mp3 sharing. DJs stopped buying vinyl, went to CD format. Your access to music was now not controlled by labels/stores/distribution channels. Can't find it in your local record store? Pirate that! Actually, why even bother paying for it to begin with when you can download track for free in less clicks than it takes you to buy it legally (if Beatport even decides to let you download it)?

DJs/producers/musicians started getting less money from albums and source of revenue remaining was gigs. Remaining relevant was now harder, more time consuming and in the end if you weren't pushing yourself, you weren't making shit. Just ask Lolo....

So, now you had to stay ahead of the competition. White label effectively died a while ago. As an aspiring producer, you no longer blasted your record to top DJs - YOU BLASTED IT EVERYWHERE! Top DJs no longer had exclusivity that came with their position to the latest and "hottest" tracks. Surprise of the live act eventually died out.

Ask yourself: when was the last time you bought a compilation CD? Not an iTunes or Beatport crap. I mean actual compilation CD? Think Global Underground. Think Northern Exposure. Think In Search of Sunrise. Think Boundaries of Imagination.

Who buys CDs these days for $20 containing tracks that became stale the moment CD was printed? Your average "hot" track these days has a half life that of sushi roll left out in the dumpster under direct sunlight on a hot and humid NY day...

So, you now no longer get "goosebumps" because the track you hear DJ spin has been overplayed before he even reached for it. You aleady know what to expect in DJs set because you just downloaded his previous set from his previous stop. Or you saw the track list.

When was the last time you saw a tracklist full of "ID", BTW?

Right.

tl;dr summary: Internet + New Media + Instant Gratification has contributed to this New World Order. Get used to it, it ain't goin' back.

Shame.



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