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Posted by Merranza on Aug-22-2002 04:41:

Maybe I don't get it

Ok... I have been listening to techno for almost 10 years now, mixing for 1 year and I consider very open mind concerning techno and music in general...

But there's something I really don't figure out... WHAT'S UP WITH THE VOCALS IN EVERY FREAKING TRANCE SONG COMING OUT?

Maybe I'm an old nostalgic totally outdated still getting the goose bumps over the 1997-98-99 yrs. But wasn't it the best time? With all those uplifting INSTRUMENTAL and MELODIC trance songs.

I don't mind putting a couple vocal songs in a set. I am not against it, just that everything coming out lately has a singer into it. Sometimes only a word repeated from time to time in a song can be enough. Now all those "Heaven/Love/KissMe/LookAtTheSunset" theme songs are driving me crazy...

I have this sudden feeling we are going back to early 90's dance songs...

Am I the only one thinking like this?

And Btw, if you have any instrumental killer uplifting trance song to suggest, feel free to tell me =)

Thanks in advance

Posted by PatMcGroin on Aug-22-2002 04:43:

in my opinion its getting more and more mainstream, hence the vocals because people can actually sing along. i mean i don't really mind it as long as the tune sounds good, but if they try to make the vocals everything i just feel like shooting myself

just another reason why sasha's airdrawndagger still owns me!

Posted by Merranza on Aug-22-2002 04:46:

that's something I have been speaking a lot with a dj friend of mine. Vocals are owning trance song because of two reasons.

1. Techno is getting more and more commercialized on radio station.

2. Reason #2 comes directly from number and link to your idea, now ppl can sing and put a title on the song they listen too...

That could explain a lot of things... but still, I prefer my instrumental songs =)

Posted by Tsunami One on Aug-22-2002 05:21:

quote:
1. Techno is getting more and more commercialized on radio station.

ah huh. care to explain?

crossover appeal it's that simple. vocals = crossover which = ppl who have $ which.... u get the picture.

Posted by Greedy on Aug-22-2002 06:06:

good thread.

Posted by Merranza on Aug-22-2002 06:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Tsunami One

ah huh. care to explain?

crossover appeal it's that simple. vocals = crossover which = ppl who have $ which.... u get the picture.

Sure... What I meant by that is if you wanted to have a killer track back in the days (without vocal most of the time) you had to put your energies in the search of your very sound and melody. Making your track an excellent track was all about music and harmonics...

I just think that now, they over-consider the place of the singer in the song meaning, they will throw in a very flat boring bass line and put all the emphasis on the singer... Isn't it a downward spiral toward a boring, repetitive and *all sounding the same* kind of music?

Posted by djrichy on Aug-22-2002 07:22:

To be fair, there arnt vocals in every trance tune coming out. and in most cases the vocals make the tune good. i like the vocals in Do you See the Light (Snap! vs Plaything) and Silence.
how ever, some vocal parts are utter wank and make the whole song shit. Lasgo springs to mind for some reason!!!
Lasgo -

Posted by sebby on Aug-22-2002 07:35:

I guess so it can bring more people into trance, since almost all other popular genres have words in them. I actually live for trance vocals, but I also agree with the fact that the 97, 98 and 99 stuff was off the hook.

AVB004 CD 1 is a perfect example of excess trance vocals but it's a great cd. I love it. I've been listening to it almost nonstop for the last 2 weeks. Can't get enough of it. Maybe it's just me. Care to comment on this?

Posted by Ste on Aug-22-2002 08:28:

quote:
Originally posted by Merranza

1. Techno is getting more and more commercialized on radio station.

it is NOT techno, it is trance, techno is not trance, they are completly different!!!!

Posted by webbie on Aug-22-2002 09:24:

Vocals should be used sparsely imho, vocals can bring a track up up
up so high that you go nuts just hearing the first line but vocals
can ruin the experience too.

When listening to gigs I dont want to hear 12 vocaltracks and 1
without, I want to hear tunes that makes my brain process the sounds
for it self, without help from a girl singing about her unlucky
relationships in the US, I couldnt care less about that.

Posted by Merranza on Aug-22-2002 12:37:

quote:
Originally posted by DuMonde TrAnCeR

it is NOT techno, it is trance, techno is not trance, they are completly different!!!!

Mind not to play on words??? I do know the difference between both styles...

Maybe if you were not "X"'ing one of the top 3 DJ's in the world... you could understand

Posted by Ste on Aug-22-2002 12:41:

quote:
Originally posted by Merranza

Mind not to play on words??? I do know the difference between both styles...

Maybe if you were not "X"'ing one of the top 3 DJ's in the world... you could understand

you mean be and arse kissing follow the crowd brown noser? nah maybe not eh

maybe you would judge wether or not he was a top DJ if you heard his mixing, very poor and crap. also his latest productions.

pop artists have the most fans, does that make them the best? i think not. thankyou.

Posted by webmeister on Aug-22-2002 12:43:

ooo mate u are playing with fire .. don't set him off about Tiesto or this thread will go down quicker than a two dollar hooker

Posted by Ste on Aug-22-2002 12:45:

you know the score

Posted by Merranza on Aug-22-2002 12:45:

quote:
Originally posted by sebby
I guess so it can bring more people into trance, since almost all other popular genres have words in them. I actually live for trance vocals, but I also agree with the fact that the 97, 98 and 99 stuff was off the hook.

AVB004 CD 1 is a perfect example of excess trance vocals but it's a great cd. I love it. I've been listening to it almost nonstop for the last 2 weeks. Can't get enough of it. Maybe it's just me. Care to comment on this?

If your invitation to comment is about the cd, I haven't listened to it so I can't. As for the rest of your opinion, I agree some vocal tracks hooked me up for a while and still. Just the ratio of instrumental vs vocal sounds unbalanced to me. Maybe a good blend of both would fit perfectly well.

The reason you underline in your first sentence sounds a major point in my opinion. Instrumental tracks were made to bring people in a special state of mind and put them in a "trance" and party. If vocal tracks were meant for the same reason, I guess it would be very different. But the fact it does exist to attract more people to a bigger market quite bugs me...

Thanks for sharing!

Posted by Merranza on Aug-22-2002 12:47:

quote:
Originally posted by webmeister
ooo mate u are playing with fire .. don't set him off about Tiesto or this thread will go down quicker than a two dollar hooker

*nods* aye aye =)

/me follow your wise words of advice

Posted by webmeister on Aug-22-2002 12:54:

Some people call me the Oracle.

Other people call me an idiot.

You guys can make up your own minds.