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don't get me wrong, some cool textures and sounds but like that genre is pretty much defined by about 4 sounds courtesy of scrillex. I mean every song is just the same.

this isn't a hate it because it is popular. I have just never ever witnessed a genre that could be described with such limitations. The genre is pretty much about 4 types of sounds made from NI massive. And to be clear , i am talking about the new definition of the genre. Anyways, I spent a night at a club where I heard my first full on dubstep set and it was just so annoying. The novelty of the new sound palette isn't enough to make a genre interesting.

I mean I have stolen all the techniques I liked about and use it in different contexts but that genre is the worse case of copy cat , I have ever witnessed in EDM.

It's not just dubstep really, you can see this happening to all genres of EDM and in popular music and film. I made a post over here that kinda talks about this

but i think dubstep takes the cake on this one, I mean everyone is using the same 4 patches on massive. I mean there are pretty much 2 artists and everything else is a poor copy cat version. I'm all about sharing knowledge but the way you can just youtube how to sound like scrillex tends to make the copy cats that much more prolific and annoying.

I think the defining characteristics of dubstep are a bit too specific and hard to work with, it hasn't been popular for very long and nobody knows what the fuck to do with those weird sounds. Maybe someone will eventually figure it out.

I think the point is that everybody is using exactly the same sound in exactly the same way, as in the EXACT same presets. I think it is far worse in dubstep than most other genres in EDM as it hasn't really changed in the last year or so as far as I can tell.

I've been swatting up on it a bit lately as I'm a bit of a closet fan, but it seems that if you've heard Skrillex you've pretty much heard it all.

There's a bloke on Soundcloud called Torus who's a bit tasty, but still fairly samey.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney I mean there are pretty much 2 artists and everything else is a poor copy cat version.

I've always thought that wobble sound was too syncopated to taken as a core sound. I like it best when its used sparingly like we see in Skrillex's complextro shit or when its sprinkled into the background of a pop track or whatever.

At least nobody has taken the hoover sound and made a genre out of it(as far as I know).

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Originally posted by Beatflux At least nobody has taken the hoover sound and made a genre out of it(as far as I know).

Well, if there is, it's not worth listening to =/

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Originally posted by J.L. Well, if there is, it's not worth listening to =/

Hoovers + Wobbles + Risers = Risestep

Why compose something when you can a 32 bar riser to maintain interest? :P

I like dubstep from a dancing standpoint. In fact, I think its my new favorite genre to dance to besides, the DJ Chuckie style of Electro also played by Le Castle Vania, Aoki, and others. For starters, Dubstep has three different types of movements. You can bob with the snare, emphasizing the bass with different varirations of hand gestures, OR, and probably the most fun, you can double time the beat. We used to be able to do the same thing to Drum & Bass, but in reverse order. You could walk, even though the hi-hats told you to run, or you could run with how the beats and the drums made you move. The best part of dubstep is the BASS. Even though Skrillex and Rednek, effin suck, the most horirble Dubstep producers ever, Rusko, Nero, Excision, and others, bring up for their lack of talent by making very danceable tunes. I love dancing to Dubstep because there are so many ways to dance to it. The third and is just out right kicking. Moving your feet fast in a variety of different patterns making sure to accentuate the phrase. Dubstep is golden right now and it will be for awhile so JUST DANCE!!

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Originally posted by DJRYAN� I like dubstep from a dancing standpoint. In fact, I think its my new favorite genre to dance to besides, the DJ Chuckie style of Electro also played by Le Castle Vania, Aoki, and others. For starters, Dubstep has three different types of movements. You can bob with the snare, emphasizing the bass with different varirations of hand gestures, OR, and probably the most fun, you can double time the beat. We used to be able to do the same thing to Drum & Bass, but in reverse order. You could walk, even though the hi-hats told you to run, or you could run with how the beats and the drums made you move. The best part of dubstep is the BASS. Even though Skrillex and Rednek, effin suck, the most horirble Dubstep producers ever, Rusko, Nero, Excision, and others, bring up for their lack of talent by making very danceable tunes. I love dancing to Dubstep because there are so many ways to dance to it. The third and is just out right kicking. Moving your feet fast in a variety of different patterns making sure to accentuate the phrase. Dubstep is golden right now and it will be for awhile so JUST DANCE!!

Seriously, though, I personally think xKore is kind of the only artist in this particualr domain I really like.

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Originally posted by DJRYAN� I like dubstep from a dancing standpoint. In fact, I think its my new favorite genre to dance to besides, the DJ Chuckie style of Electro also played by Le Castle Vania, Aoki, and others. For starters, Dubstep has three different types of movements. You can bob with the snare, emphasizing the bass with different varirations of hand gestures, OR, and probably the most fun, you can double time the beat. We used to be able to do the same thing to Drum & Bass, but in reverse order. You could walk, even though the hi-hats told you to run, or you could run with how the beats and the drums made you move. The best part of dubstep is the BASS. Even though Skrillex and Rednek, effin suck, the most horirble Dubstep producers ever, Rusko, Nero, Excision, and others, bring up for their lack of talent by making very danceable tunes. I love dancing to Dubstep because there are so many ways to dance to it. The third and is just out right kicking. Moving your feet fast in a variety of different patterns making sure to accentuate the phrase. Dubstep is golden right now and it will be for awhile so JUST DANCE!!

i love how no matter your disposition for some reason I will assume has to do with fitting in for liking the flavour of the day, you always naturally gravitate towards the worst of what ever genre it so happens to be.

I"m sure it makes for great drugging / dancing but your barometer of production and the quality of said production needs a new battery. I suppose ala deadmau5, it is only natural that someone down with it would start hating skrillex at this point. But every single artist is ripping skrillex off who you could perhaps argue took much influence from noisia. No matter, every producer in the genre are taking their cues from these guys because they pretty much put this new version of dubstep on the map.

Anyways, keep up the cool dancing. I would love a video.

Dubstep sucks....bring back breakbeats!

I seriously cannot tell the difference between one song and another. Not a fan of this type of dubstep either.

I my self find it hard to like music that sounds good only on certain platform, this new dupstep is good on the dance floor but hard to listen to otherwise.

This is one niche genre I just cannot get into. It sounds the same between songs and artists, and also bores me on the dance floor. I heard my neighbor blasting Skrillex one day, and it sounded more like a domestic dispute than music.

As far as "dubstep" goes, I'll stick to Burial.

As far as EDM goes in general...I'm feeling like as producers it's our duty to inject the LIFE back into it. By life, I am of course referring to EWF:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XOY7lsBVpo

As with a lot of music most of the widely known stuff (Skrillex and clones) is pretty crap. Funny because that was not even close to the original vibe and style of dubstep, just what turned out to blow up.

as discussed in numerous other threads, y'all talking about BROstep, a deviation of DUBstep. burial, clubroot, james blake, mount kimbie, LV, koreless....the former two are more classic examples of dubstep, while the latter bunch are more exciting (in my opinion) deviations than the angry noise wank excreted by the likes of (new) rusko, skrillex, etc

for example:

If you can not tell the different between songs and genres then you should give up spinning and producing!

Pretty much the only two songs that were dub-step on that list were xKore's.

Skrillex is not really Dub-step, at least not in the way the genre is defined by the artists who first started producing it. However, it may be what dub-step is becoming...

Now go with this one for a second. I'm sure we have all met someone who could not tell the diff between Trance and Euro and i am sure we have all heard electronic music constantly called techno by ignorant people. To the untrained ear all these sounds do sounds similar. however, do not go on hypocritical rants about how a genre of music, and/or artist all sounding the same and then preach to others about how they no nothing on the very same forum.

EX.

Skrillex
Kill everybody

Nero
Ghosts n' stuff


that is all

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Originally posted by Von Pistol If you can not tell the different between songs and genres then you should give up spinning and producing! Pretty much the only two songs that were dub-step on that list were xKore's. Skrillex is not really Dub-step, at least not in the way the genre is defined by the artists who first started producing it. However, it may be what dub-step is becoming... Now go with this one for a second. I'm sure we have all met someone who could not tell the diff between Trance and Euro and i am sure we have all heard electronic music constantly called techno by ignorant people. To the untrained ear all these sounds do sounds similar. however, do not go on hypocritical rants about how a genre of music, and/or artist all sounding the same and then preach to others about how they no nothing on the very same forum. EX. Skrillex Kill everybody Nero Ghosts n' stuff that is all

genres are defined by the people that listen and label the music. soundtrack music is not classical. Classical music from 1950 isn't classical. It doesnt matter. Like trademarks, the second something is known as something, that is its trademark or in this case, genre.

so skrillex is indeed dubstep. Because that is what everyone calls it.

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Originally posted by Von Pistol If you can not tell the different between songs and genres then you should give up spinning and producing!

Since when is it a prerequisite to know the difference between genres before one can spin or make music? When it comes to dance music, I'm probably the most genre-stupid person on this forum, if not the entire planet, but that's not going to stop me from making music.

more like DUMBSTEP amirite?

the old dubstep in my opinion offered nothing production wise. yes the new stuff is annoying but at least it offered something new and unfortunately everyone is milking it so hard, the wobble tit is glowing red.

the only old song worth playing that is dubstep is Azzido da bass. That pretty much encapsulates 10 years of dubstep. Although not really dubstep but all the production components were set there for the next decade. Tempo I suppose was the only difference.

It's too slow to dance and too boring to listen

I agree that it's probably the most limitating genre in EDM. There is one or two, three guys and rest are kids that try to copy them...

I mean, I like the wobbles, some ideas are nice but it's just every track is too similar. poor 'producers' can kill any genre... it's really hard to spot there some gems because everything is covered by an endless sea of a very similar crap.

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