TranceAddict Forums (www.tranceaddict.com/forums)
- Production Studio
-- I think I finally nailed a strong kick drum...tell me if I am delusional or not...
Pages (2): [1] 2 »

I think I finally nailed a strong kick drum...tell me if I am delusional or not...

P.S. It's a 24 bit wave file.

[[ LINK REMOVED ]]


http://www.mediafire.com/?1b1xvasbswpft57

sounds like any other kick drum, your def delusional

The file you are trying to access is temporarily unavailable. Please try again lat

quote:

Originally posted by LoveHate The file you are trying to access is temporarily unavailable. Please try again lat

http://www.mediafire.com/?1b1xvasbswpft57

your kickdrum is only as good as your context imo ;[

No way I'm not saying its a bad kick I could definitely work it into a lot of tracks but as far as any elite type of kick I'm not sure.

Its clean and clicky, bright but a bit shallow. I like kicks that have a more noticeable thump or push/pull effect when it hits. This one just pushes, no real pull behind it. Therefore missing some depth imo. And like other people have said kicks really come down to personal taste I think its what lies behind it that really adds the magic.

quote:

Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox No way I'm not saying its a bad kick I could definitely work it into a lot of tracks but as far as any elite type of kick I'm not sure. Its clean and clicky, bright but a bit shallow. I like kicks that have a more noticeable thump or push/pull effect when it hits. This one just pushes, no real pull behind it. Therefore missing some depth imo. And like other people have said kicks really come down to personal taste I think its what lies behind it that really adds the magic.

Are you talking about one with a long tail?

I think the low end only goes down to 80 or so Hz. 50 or 55 would probably be better.

I honestly don't know how anyone can review a kick drum without hearing it in context.

quote:

Originally posted by G-Con I honestly don't know how anyone can review a kick drum without hearing it in context.

Then you must never have heard the One True Kick Drum.

One kick to rule them all!

quote:

Originally posted by Vector A Then you must never have heard the One True Kick Drum. One kick to rule them all!

Filthy hobbitses!







Where's djshire?

I'm realizing its too bright. Fuck me.

quote:

Originally posted by Beatflux I'm realizing its too bright. Fuck me.

There's no one ultra-super-f*cking-fantastic kick drum. The kick all depends on the beat. You also need to EQ the kick to each specific sound. To be honest, you really should be working the kick with your tune playing, otherwise you will never know if you have created a perfect kick for that specific tune. The only thing I hear when playing back the sound file you provided is any old one-hit kick sample.

Yeh for me tuning is what really "locks" the kick into the track and I never really fucked around with tuning kicks for the first 8 years of producing which was a huge mistake.

People always told me to do it by ear but I just couldn't tell when it was on key 100%. The odd thing however is I can tell pretty fast when a kicks off key. I am just never sure tuning it by ear when its officially tuned right. It always use to seem to be off a few tones no matter how hard I tried.

Now I use FL's detect pitch regions, set the key and then just adjust in FL's piano roll. Last night I had a kick that was G#, a GREAT kick, also sounded great in the mix. Very huge sounding and had real nice transients/teeth that cut through the mix. But tuning back & forth it just never sounded pro and I couldn't set it right. The key of the track itself was G. I had no idea the kick was already that close to key. And doing it by ear I could not tell it was a sharp key. Once I have the mix set how I want, I always have to worry that the kick will be too far off key as it seems if I tune it more than 2-3 keys from its root it never sounds right. But this kick was not only great sounding off key, but it also only had to be tuned a half a semitone to get it on key. Once I moved it from G# to G I was like "WOW, *that* sounds professional FINALLY!" I just think tuning kicks is awesome because for year after year after year I layered kicks, went INSANE on equalizer settings, compression settings, even overdrive getting them to sound "right". And it turns out after all these years it really wasn't any of that shit but my kicks were just always off key. So yeh, I get excited like a little school girl now when I tune things, I just love doing it. But on the other hand when it comes to a lot of drum sounds I rarely mess with tuning. Unless its a fat perc sound that has some sort of dominating tone. Otherwise I guess I mostly just do it on my kicks, as I have found that is one thing that will definitely suffer if its not somewhat on key. And I also understand kicks are a mix of different keys, but there is still always a dominating pitch that FL is able to detect. And when I use that main pitch (which is usually right after the attack phase of the kick its the longest stable/nonchanging pitch region of the kick) my kicks always come out sounding perfect (at least in that specific mix which is all that matters).

quote:

Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Yeh for me tuning is what really "locks" the kick into the track and I never really fucked around with tuning kicks for the first 8 years of producing which was a huge mistake. People always told me to do it by ear but I just couldn't tell when it was on key 100%. The odd thing however is I can tell pretty fast when a kicks off key. I am just never sure tuning it by ear when its officially tuned right. It always use to seem to be off a few tones no matter how hard I tried. Now I use FL's detect pitch regions, set the key and then just adjust in FL's piano roll. Last night I had a kick that was G#, a GREAT kick, also sounded great in the mix. Very huge sounding and had real nice transients/teeth that cut through the mix. But tuning back & forth it just never sounded pro and I couldn't set it right. The key of the track itself was G. I had no idea the kick was already that close to key. And doing it by ear I could not tell it was a sharp key. Once I have the mix set how I want, I always have to worry that the kick will be too far off key as it seems if I tune it more than 2-3 keys from its root it never sounds right. But this kick was not only great sounding off key, but it also only had to be tuned a half a semitone to get it on key. Once I moved it from G# to G I was like "WOW, *that* sounds professional FINALLY!" I just think tuning kicks is awesome because for year after year after year I layered kicks, went INSANE on equalizer settings, compression settings, even overdrive getting them to sound "right". And it turns out after all these years it really wasn't any of that shit but my kicks were just always off key. So yeh, I get excited like a little school girl now when I tune things, I just love doing it. But on the other hand when it comes to a lot of drum sounds I rarely mess with tuning. Unless its a fat perc sound that has some sort of dominating tone. Otherwise I guess I mostly just do it on my kicks, as I have found that is one thing that will definitely suffer if its not somewhat on key. And I also understand kicks are a mix of different keys, but there is still always a dominating pitch that FL is able to detect. And when I use that main pitch (which is usually right after the attack phase of the kick its the longest stable/nonchanging pitch region of the kick) my kicks always come out sounding perfect (at least in that specific mix which is all that matters).

Could you post an A/B example? The kick I am using now decays extremely quickly and doesn't really settle on pitch either at the beginning or end of it.

The track I am referencing, "So Much Love" has one of those kicks that has a bit of sustain at the end of it, and both the kick and the bass are tuned to G.

I've not heard any producer here manage to make a kick this good.




Some will say it's just standard, to wit I say you aren't listening carefully enough.

that song has some wicked flow. Michael Woods is pretty sick all around!

quote:

Originally posted by Richard Butler I've not heard any producer here manage to make a kick this good. Some will say it's just standard, to wit I say you aren't listening carefully enough.

Jesus Christ. What a track that builds up to nothing.

quote:

Originally posted by Beatflux Jesus Christ. What a track that builds up to nothing.

I hate those...

quote:

Originally posted by Beatflux Jesus Christ. What a track that builds up to nothing.

quote:

Originally posted by Beatflux Jesus Christ. What a track that builds up to nothing.

See I love it, the payload for me is in the dramatic contrast between break and drop, and I find I'm much more moved to dance by a bassline that remains on 1 note.

quote:

Originally posted by Richard Butler See I love it, the payload for me is in the dramatic contrast between break and drop, and I find I'm much more moved to dance by a bassline that remains on 1 note.

It's not even about the specific format or bassline; the song was arranged from 2-3 minutes of material and very little thought of how the track was going to evolve over time was put in. There is almost no kind of musical development after each drop.

A track that gets the drop format right:

Oooh the kicks are hard lol. You'd think it'd be the easiest part as it's the only thing "normal" people hear when they hear our music :P

is there any way to detect pitch in fl 7? the edison doesnt have that feature. or is it only in full program, not the demo lol

and he is an awesome drop>

drop

quote:

Originally posted by Von Pistol is there any way to detect pitch in fl 7? the edison doesnt have that feature. or is it only in full program, not the demo lol and he is an awesome drop> drop

FL 7? Seriously? You can update to version 10 for free!

for wimpy trance kicks , this one ain't bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB_T...feature=related

of course the best thing out there for trance and anything close by is da Zenker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR54...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0pD...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJp2qKOPAXA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDAI...feature=related

in fact i would say if there is any artist that has pretty much guided where kick drums have been going since 2000, it would be scot project. GO from 1999 to 20011. Every EDM genre is represented before it got big. I suppose he is a producer's producer.

Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright © 2000-2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.