From Yakov: Mixed In Key 5, new version just released -- check out harmonic mixing

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Posted by nennon on Oct-04-2011 18:20:

From Yakov: Mixed In Key 5, new version just released -- check out harmonic mixing

Hi all,

Yakov from Mixed In Key here. I've been on TranceAddict for 10+ years, and I wanted to let you guys know personally -- we just released a new version of Mixed In Key. It's the app that became an industry standard for harmonic mixing, and guys like Paul van Dyk, Markus Schulz and David Guetta enjoy using it.

Here's the new stuff:

* Multi-core support for faster processing
* Built-in audio player
* Brand-new key detection for Version 5.0
* Ability to see key changes in the middle of the track
* Clickable "Camelot" wheel to browse songs quickly
* Improved analysis for short samples and producer packs

It's been getting a lot of love on Twitter and our community, so check it out:

http://www.MixedInKey.com/New.aspx

It works great for trance and progressive. You can ask me any questions if you like, or hit me up on Twitter: http://twitter.com/mixedinkey

-Yakov

Posted by Looney4Clooney on Oct-13-2011 22:28:

i love how you state that with this software all your mixes will be 100% harmonic. Whether you try to or not, anyone's mix will be harmonic. It isn't something you have to plan. Consonance and dissonance are a spectrum, not an absolute, The camelot wheel also places way too much emphasis on dominant resolution , in fact the circle of fiths, which the wheel ripped off is not really that useful and quite antiquated in that it was en rigeur during the classical period but you would be hard pressed to find such obvious dominant relations in romantic and post romantic music. Further more given that most basses are around the same pitch class, it is quite hard to do and well it will be annoying to say the least after every track. The other type is using the major or minor relative which well won't work all the timeand is somewhat stagnant as you have not really gone anywhere. The key modulations that should be used and are probably the more versatile shifts are not really mentioned or encouraged again making the software pretty useless in the hands of an idiot.

If you want to learn how to plan a set, and i don't expect anyone to do this because you would have to understand music theory is to analyze symphonies and how they use key regions. A symphony is about 1 hour. As a librarian tool , I suppose it might be worth 60 $ but god help any dj that thinks this will improve his mixes without knowing how to do it without the "camelot wheel" which is rubbish created and perfected by djs with limited knowledge of music theory.

Posted by nennon on Oct-14-2011 01:43:

What do you suggest as a good resource for DJs to learn?

Posted by Stu Cox on Oct-14-2011 07:05:

quote:
Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
making the software pretty useless in the hands of an idiot.

Most things are pretty useless in the hands of an idiot.

The good news is most dance music is so tediously formulaic that if you're just mixing over the first/last minute, the chances are your records just dot along on the same (usually tonic root) note. So when you mix in the next track, you're basically making a chord between the two - and it's quite easy to pick an interval which will sound nice. Although 'nice' might not be what you're after...

Posted by Looney4Clooney on Oct-14-2011 17:37:

most djs are idiots tho which makes this software quite dangerous.

Posted by orTof�nChiLd on Oct-15-2011 03:44:

nobody is telling me what track to throw down next because its key compatible, fuck that. i rely on my skills to bring it in when and how

Posted by Stu Cox on Oct-16-2011 10:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
most djs are idiots tho which makes this software quite dangerous.

So they'll carry on playing rubbish sets. Let them.

Posted by Zyklon_Jay on Oct-16-2011 16:09:

i used to put stickers of naked ladies on my mini casio when keying records...does this software have naked ladies?

Posted by mfitterer1 on Oct-26-2011 05:00:

I have a question. Now that Beatport posts track keys I have been coming upon some abnormalities in what mixed in key says. Care to explain why JK Walker & Marcos - Apache 7 (Marcos Mix) shows up as 1A - 140 via MIK when it shows as G ♯ minor - 140 on Beatport? The equivelant would be 6A in camelot notation. What gives??

Posted by orTof�nChiLd on Oct-26-2011 05:53:

uh oh you detected a flaw

Posted by Stu Cox on Oct-26-2011 07:04:

quote:
Originally posted by mfitterer1
I have a question. Now that Beatport posts track keys I have been coming upon some abnormalities in what mixed in key says. Care to explain why JK Walker & Marcos - Apache 7 (Marcos Mix) shows up as 1A - 140 via MIK when it shows as G ♯ minor - 140 on Beatport? The equivelant would be 6A in camelot notation. What gives??

G# minor is 1A, not 6A:

6A is G minor, not G# (G-sharp) minor - there is a difference. G# minor is actually the same as A-flat minor, which is 1A. So in this case Beatport and MIK agree.

But you may find other cases where they disagree and this may be perfectly valid... keys aren't absolute things and are open to a certain amount of interpretation. And as a result the way you use them should account for this, i.e. don't consider them to be infallible... just because 2 tracks are marked as being in the same key doesn't mean they'll fit harmonically.

Posted by mfitterer1 on Oct-26-2011 09:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Stu Cox
G# minor is 1A, not 6A:

6A is G minor, not G# (G-sharp) minor - there is a difference. G# minor is actually the same as A-flat minor, which is 1A. So in this case Beatport and MIK agree.

But you may find other cases where they disagree and this may be perfectly valid... keys aren't absolute things and are open to a certain amount of interpretation. And as a result the way you use them should account for this, i.e. don't consider them to be infallible... just because 2 tracks are marked as being in the same key doesn't mean they'll fit harmonically.

Ahh ok, I figured that to be the case. I definitely have never used two tracks simply because MIK says they are compatible, was just curious.. in this case it is an error on my part. I figured the sharp changed the key somehow but didn't know for sure. Thank you for clearing that up Stu! Apologies to the MIK guys

Why does the camelot notation only have sharps listed for majors? That is what led to my confusion..

Posted by Stu Cox on Oct-26-2011 17:44:

quote:
Originally posted by mfitterer1
Why does the camelot notation only have sharps listed for majors? That is what led to my confusion..

Camelot actually uses flats for everything except G flat, which it lists as F sharp in both major and minor. Why? Probably because F sharp occurs more commonly than G flat... "more people have heard of it" - that's about the best reason I can think of. It's painfully inconsistent and I'm sure most people would prefer it if they stuck to all sharps or all flats.

Posted by Looney4Clooney on Oct-27-2011 12:53: