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The War on Drugs

After reading this article today, it struck me as odd that the United States government will do whatever it can to prevent drugs from being legalized, but won't bat an eye at sending the military to another country for more soldiers and civilians to die.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...DGDL_story.html

Now, this is not to undermine the cartel-related violence in Mexico, that is out of control. Los Zetas are absolutely terrifying, but cutting the problem off at the source might be a better choice. If the United States were to make drugs legal and tax them, that would be a huge blow to the cartel's revenue stream. If they were to retaliate, only then would it be necessary to use force.

Thoughts?

Re: The War on Drugs

the simple solution is to legalize drugs in the united states. why this is such a taboo idea i don't understand. yes, drugs can be dangerous. yes, there is crime associated with drug use and sale - BUT that crime would diminish greatly with legalization. for one, drugs would no longer be sold to children (of course some kids are still going to find a way, similar to how kids can find ways to get cigarettes and booze... but at least the drug dealer who was peddling coke at the jr. high would be out of business). the other main benefits are the enormous relief of the justice and prison system which are currently so overburdened with nonviolent drug offenses that real criminals are getting out every day to keep prisons from max capacity. that, and the amount of new taxable revenue, combined with the billions we have wasted on the war on drugs, we could be out of the recession in 20 years. i could go on and on.

//edit: pertaining to the article, military intervention without legalization is a horrible idea. you have to cut the source of income for the cartels. if they can't pay twisted fucks to do their dirty work, they WILL lose power.

WHAT THA HELL ARE YEW TALKIN ABOUT WOMAN? THIS IS MURIKKKA, THE LAND OF GUNS, FAST FOOD, AND CIGARETTES. FREEDOM HATER!

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Nick just pack up and come to Canada already, FFS. I'm sure Coca Cola can give you a job here if you want.

C'est de la grosse merde partout au monde. Pro c'est une conne a grosse gode noir.

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Originally posted by Adam420 Nick just pack up and come to Canada already, FFS. I'm sure Coca Cola can give you a job here if you want.

Would be nice, but Coca Cola Enterprises and The Coca Cola Company split last year so Canada isn't in my domain

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay C'est de la grosse merde partout au monde. Pro c'est une conne a grosse gode noir.

tu vas fermer ta putain de gueule, connard. enlever la bite de ta bouche et dire quelque chose d'int�ressant.

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Originally posted by prolikewhoa the simple solution is to legalize drugs in the united states. why this is such a taboo idea i don't understand. yes, drugs can be dangerous. yes, there is crime associated with drug use and sale - BUT that crime would diminish greatly with legalization. for one, drugs would no longer be sold to children (of course some kids are still going to find a way, similar to how kids can find ways to get cigarettes and booze... but at least the drug dealer who was peddling coke at the jr. high would be out of business). the other main benefits are the enormous relief of the justice and prison system which are currently so overburdened with nonviolent drug offenses that real criminals are getting out every day to keep prisons from max capacity. that, and the amount of new taxable revenue, combined with the billions we have wasted on the war on drugs, we could be out of the recession in 20 years. i could go on and on. //edit: pertaining to the article, military intervention without legalization is a horrible idea. you have to cut the source of income for the cartels. if they can't pay twisted fucks to do their dirty work, they WILL lose power.

One of the "problems" with legalizing drugs is that you have a lot of people who are employed as a result of the war on drugs. Private prisons, correctional officer unions (CCPOA, for instance), not to mention public servants (e.g. Sheriff Joe Arpaio) whose positions are justified as a result of this "war", all have a stake in making sure drugs are kept illegal.


To the article & your edit: I don't think legalizing drugs is going to make a military intervention, in Mexico, more feasible. Regardless of whether they're legal or not, you will see some incredibly nasty shit that will make atrocities in Afghanistan and Iraq look far less horrific. In a lot of ways, what's happening in Mexico, right now, has already exceeded that threshold.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker One of the "problems" with legalizing drugs is that you have a lot of people who are employed as a result of the war on drugs. Private prisons, correctional officer unions (CCPOA, for instance), not to mention public servants (e.g. Sheriff Joe Arpaio) whose positions are justified as a result of this "war", all have a stake in making sure drugs are kept illegal.

Right, and all the jobs that are lost can be re-created through means of production facilities, quality control, and retail. Perhaps Sheriff Joe can get a job as a security guard instead of a DEA head-buster.

i would say it has... the 30+ bodies dumped on the freeway? i thought that kind of shit only happened in movies.

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Originally posted by ziptnf Right, and all the jobs that are lost can be re-created through means of production facilities, quality control, and retail.

exactly... estimates from 2008 guessed 6 million new jobs could be created from the legalization of drugs.

Oh, those guessing estimates!

Who is really going to sell heroin, cocaine, and meth from a store?

Just asking...

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Oh, those guessing estimates!

whoops. you know what i mean.... estimates estimated? estimates projected? that's probably better.

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Originally posted by Vector A Who is really going to sell heroin, cocaine, and meth from a store? Just asking...

well they used to sell it in stores before it was illegal...

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Originally posted by Vector A Who is really going to sell heroin, cocaine, and meth from a store? Just asking...

Well I highly doubt that will happen, I'm sure those could only be obtained via prescription from a doctor, as an over-the-counter type thing. However, the market for marijuana is enormous and could create an enormous amount of revenue for the US.

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Originally posted by prolikewhoa well they used to sell it in stores before it was illegal...

You mean before there were incredible stigmas associated with its sale and consumption? Well, yeah.

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Originally posted by ziptnf Right, and all the jobs that are lost can be re-created through means of production facilities, quality control, and retail.

I should have clarified that it's not a legitimate problem I was pointing out as much as I was speaking to the reason so much political pressure exists to keep them illegal. The California Correctional Peace Officers Association, for instance, was a major contributor to California's 3 Strikes legislation and private prisons are also major beneficiaries when it comes to handling the overpopulation caused by the war on drugs. It's groups like these which subvert the political will to legalize drugs in spite of the negative impact prohibition has on society.

i love the "Mabel is unstable" one the most hahaha

The problem is that a lot of companies are afraid of losing their profits. Cotton industry along with the paper factories mostly, and of course tobacco.
Hemp is stronger and much cheaper than cotton and normal paper iirc.

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Originally posted by prolikewhoa tu vas fermer ta putain de gueule, connard. enlever la bite de ta bouche et dire quelque chose d'int�ressant.

tu es comme le film de Nicholas cage. Conne air.

More accurately titled the War On Some Drugs.

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay tu es comme le film de Nicholas cage. Conne air.

et toi, tu es seulement un con. f�licitations!

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