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if america (specially bush) decides to bomb iraq again , it's probably gonna be the biggest mistake made in the american history.

bush and america keep on bitching about "how evil saddam is" , well what the hell are you guys waiting to get rid of him ? you have the power to kill him and give the freedom to iraqis to choose but yet you don't want to do it because the more a country is poorer , the more a country is undeveloped , the more a country is ruled by a dictator , THE MORE IT'S BETTER FOR THE US . instead of it , america still prefers bombing the whole country WHICH MEANS KILLING CIVILIANS AGAIN using an imagined reason : IRAQ is making chemical weapons. well let me tell you something : HA HA HA HA do you guys think Irak , where kids die from starvation and lack of medecins , and suffer from an economical embargo would make these weapons NOW ? if you answer yes , then one more big HA HA HA HA on you. Iraq used to make these weapons back in the 80's when they where rich enough to buy all africa and change it's name to IRAFRIKA , but since the gulf war , the money entering in there is counted by drops (french expression).

anyway my questions are :
-if america/bush wants really to get rid of saddam and his regime cuz they are "evil" then why don't he send some mega-marshal-sniper-pyroman from hollywood to get rid of him and install at least some democracy there ? and why instead of that america/bush want to bomb the whooooooole country from north to south using a fake and stupid reason called "weapon manufactures" ?
-why american call themselves "peaceful people" when 60% of people asked in polls agree to bomb iraq ? don't you think it's gonna create more hatred towards the USA again ?
-why is tony blair/england following the USA like a little puppy when it comes to attack someone ?

this is not a "let's bash america and americans" thread , i'm just asking these questions and seeking for answers.

I don't have all the answers. I think the US has the right to be upset and wanting revenge. Afterall terrorists did fly two planes into the WTC (I was deeply affected by that. I had a summer job there. Lost a friend on sept. 11). I don't totally agree with the US wanting to bomb Iraq. I agree with the US wanting to rid of Saddam. I mean who wouldn't? aside from the terrorist community. If there was an actual war between the US and Iraq, the US should send in SEALS/DEVGROUP, Rangers and Marine Recon Teams to make so called "precision" hits. And when necessary, attacks from the air.
I think Bush needs to concentrate on human preservation. if Saddam is really killing people, Then send in a Marine Recon Sniper and blow is head to the back of the wall. If not leave his ass alone and concentrate on providing humanitarian and economic assistance rather than blowing the country up. Bush is from Texas. When texans are pissed or don't get their way they either shoot it or level it to a parking lot.

It's hard to tell what the future will hold, but I just hope they don't nuke everybody to hell.

just my 2 cents on that.

NO NUKES!, NO NUKES!, NO NUKES!

I think America should destroy any country that deals with terrorists... if any saw the videos of Al Quadia tests using deadly gasses on dogs, they are serious about killing the American way of life, and the freedoms of all human beings. Something must be done.

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Originally posted by Tranzlucent I think America should destroy any country that deals with terrorists... if any saw the videos of Al Quadia tests using deadly gasses on dogs, they are serious about killing the American way of life, and the freedoms of all human beings. Something must be done.

I'm now going to use a quote from the previous thread

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Originally posted by JohnSmith You are sitting in a bar. your dad used to come to this bar once, about 8 years ago. some dude was picking on this little guy, so your dad beat the crap out of the dude. the guy got some good shots in, and put up a good fight, but in the end, he was beaten badly. your dad let him live, just barely though. so, your sitting there, having a drink with all your buddies, everyone is having fun. the bartender is your friend, and gives you whatever you want, because he likes you, because you spend way more than anyone else. everyone in the bar is your friend, either because you do favors for them, or because they are afraid of you. suddenly, someone comes up from behind you and kicks you in the nuts. you reel in pain, and scream in anger. you turn around and see the guy running away, and you chase him. he runs out of the bar, and into another building. you chase him down the street, and into the other building. but, you can't find him. so, you kill everyone in the building, killing man, woman and child in your drunken righteous rage. after almost a year, you still haven't found him. you go back to the bar, pop open a budweiser and start spreading stories about how, you are winning the war, the world will be safe from dirty nut-kickers everywhere, and you won't rest until every one of those dirty bastards is dead. everyone nervously agrees with you, as they watch the crusted blood on your hands dry. then you notice over in the corner, the guy sitting there by himself. it's the guy your daddy beat up. he looks healthy and ready for revenge. you get the bouncer of the bar to go over and search the guy. the bouncer is your buddy too of course, and he will do whatever you want as long as you pad his pocket a little. so, he searchs him, violently. the bouncer says, "it's cavity search time" and throws him bent over the bar, and rips off his pants. the dude struggles a bit, but, the gloved hand reaches up there anyway. he manages to squirm away, and you suspect he might have somethign hidden way up there the bouncer didn't have time to find. someone whispers in your ear, "hey, i saw him out back trying to sharpen a stick." someone else says they saw him picking up rocks. and another guy says he tried to buy a gun from a friend of his a few years back. your buddies start to get worried. he might have a gun! you insist the bouncer goes for another search. the guy hides in the corner, he doesn't want to go through that again. you tell the bar that he could be a threat, he might have a gun. you try to raise support to get rid of this dangerous threat to the whole bar. all the while, you have a bowie knife in your pocket, a handgun in your other pocket, an AK47 slung over your back, a grenade launcher on the table, and a tank parked outside. you also have every bar in the whole town full of people with the same, willing to fight for you. now.. this is where we sit. you are about to kill this guy. just in case, he had a gun, and could be a threat. and the whole rest of the bar is going to sit back and watch you do it.. i'm not scared of the guy that might have a gun. i'm scared of the guy who lives right beside me, and i know has one.

Bombing Iraq isn't the answer, and if you think it is your lamer than I thought. Getting rid of Saddam is something that needs to be done...but not now, and certainly not by carpet bombing baghdad. H'es currently 500ft underground...it's gonna get to the same point as last time....a years gone by, and little Saddam is still alive...cos we gave him prior warning of what we're doing. To get any sort of peace in the middle east the west needs to withdraw troops from Saudi Arabia, stop giving Israelis weapons, try to reason with that lunatic sharon and get him to sit down in peace talks...and sort the mess that is the Israel - Palestine conflict out. If any of that happens...u see how many terrorist acts are carried out against the US and it's allies

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Originally posted by fastmp3 anyway my questions are : -if america/bush wants really to get rid of saddam and his regime cuz they are "evil" then why don't he send some mega-marshal-sniper-pyroman from hollywood to get rid of him and install at least some democracy there ? and why instead of that america/bush want to bomb the whooooooole country from north to south using a fake and stupid reason called "weapon manufactures" ? -why american call themselves "peaceful people" when 60% of people asked in polls agree to bomb iraq ? don't you think it's gonna create more hatred towards the USA again ? -why is tony blair/england following the USA like a little puppy when it comes to attack someone ? this is not a "let's bash america and americans" thread , i'm just asking these questions and seeking for answers.

My answers:

1) Because Bushy is not worried about what's going on there, they just feel Iraqi policy nowadays is not good for the US. There's a lot of petrol there and Iraq won't be a good parter till the day Hussein leaves

2) America being peaceful!? Yeah, right! The fact is that the government tries to show that they're "good" while everybody else is "evil". Obviously, it'll creat more hatred, but as long as they think they're doing the right thing, nothing will change their minds (speacially of some moron at the White House) - American TA's: I'm not saying that everyone of you are like this, let's not start our very own war here, please.

3) Alliance - as simple as that

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Originally posted by Az I'm now going to use a quote from the previous thread

heh.. thanks.

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Originally posted by Az Bombing Iraq isn't the answer, and if you think it is your lamer than I thought. Getting rid of Saddam is something that needs to be done...but not now, and certainly not by carpet bombing baghdad. H'es currently 500ft underground...it's gonna get to the same point as last time....a years gone by, and little Saddam is still alive...cos we gave him prior warning of what we're doing. To get any sort of peace in the middle east the west needs to withdraw troops from Saudi Arabia, stop giving Israelis weapons, try to reason with that lunatic sharon and get him to sit down in peace talks...and sort the mess that is the Israel - Palestine conflict out. If any of that happens...u see how many terrorist acts are carried out against the US and it's allies

I completely agree with you.

here's a small hint to. the US fights wars with information as well as guns. when they say they are gonna attack iraq, it isn't just being dumb, by revealing their plans. They are doing two things by that. one, testing the waters of american and worldwide public opinion. and two, putting pressure on iraq letting them know what is going on, so they get scared. this could backfire though.

has anyone ever backed a cat into a corner? that's when it scratches your eyes out.

http://www.nonviolence.org/iraq/

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Originally posted by Az To get any sort of peace in the middle east the west needs to withdraw troops from Saudi Arabia, stop giving Israelis weapons, try to reason with that lunatic sharon and get him to sit down in peace talks...and sort the mess that is the Israel - Palestine conflict out. If any of that happens...u see how many terrorist acts are carried out against the US and it's allies

i won't go into any argument about US policy in the mid-east but i got only one question, how exacly does my country has any connection to the US bombing iraq except being threatned by the bio-chemical weapons Iraq might has been developing ?

now about what fastmp3 said, i totally agree that the US shouldn't just bomb any target over iraq and kill civilians just because it might has a gun there, like what they did in afganistan, but if there ARE facilities that develop mass-destruction weapons, and yeah, they might exist, they should be taken out. that's just my P.O.V about the situation.

Good to hear from someone in israel, that is what i love about this board.

while, the situations in iraq, afghanistan, and israel/palestine are not all the same, but they are all related.

US money supports israel, and that makes some people think that israel is wrong by default, that's what i think anyway.

I don't know enough about the conflict there to start spouting off about it though, so i will just keep my mouth shut, and keep reading.

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Originally posted by Narcotic Mind i won't go into any argument about US policy in the mid-east but i got only one question, how exacly does my country has any connection to the US bombing iraq except being threatned by the bio-chemical weapons Iraq might has been developing ?

I don't want to get into an argument about US policy in the middle east conflict...partly because I'm not as well informed about the history....partly because I have some fairly strong opinions on the matter...and partly because I posted in a thread similar to this before and made some people very unhappy.but anyway...here's my explanation....

Now the way I see things one of the main reasons Bin Laden attacked America is cos of they're continued involvement and support of Israel in the the conflict with the palestinians...and thats also why a lot of Arab nations have a disliking for America...and it's certainly one of the main reasons Saddam Hussein has a disliking for America, and is so defiant on a number of "political disagreements". But I feel this launch on Iraq is mainly due to the possibility they may help 'even' the sides up in the Israel Palestinian conflict. Which is where I'm going....If america left Israel to it's own devices, and stopped supplying them with Arms and Logistical support... I feel we'd have a very different situation....

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Originally posted by JohnSmith supports israel, and that makes some people think that israel is wrong by default, that's what i think anyway.

I think u maybe got this the wrong way round....The Arab nations feel what Israel is doing is wrong....and because the US funds them...they're wrong by default...but I maybe wrong...

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Originally posted by fastmp3 IRAQ is making chemical weapons. well let me tell you something : HA HA HA HA do you guys think Irak , where kids die from starvation and lack of medecins , and suffer from an economical embargo would make these weapons NOW ? if you answer yes , then one more big HA HA HA HA on you. Iraq used to make these weapons back in the 80's when they where rich enough to buy all africa and change it's name to IRAFRIKA , but since the gulf war , the money entering in there is counted by drops (french expression).

and John Smith calls me dumb...LOL...dude Hussein has MILLIONS upon MILLIONS...he doenst care about his civilians...it is well know he murders his own civilians and in the recent past killed 5000 of them...he could care less about anyone in his country unless they are in the military,,,THATS A FACT..like it or not.



it's very very very very simple......do you guys feel that America and most of the free world should just wait on our asses while Hussein gets his hands on nuclear weapons?...just recentley he has been trading with China and Korea in hopes of getting his hands on a nuke....and some analysts predict he should have one within a year.

NOW when he gets that nuclear weapon what do you think he wants to do with it?....well he wants to send it on over to America.

SOOOOO NOW i ask you...should the U.S. sit by and wait for Hussein to attack on his terms? and with his weapons? which i will add will be nukes...thats what he has been trying to do for years upon years now. I mean you guyys can not be that dumb to beleive that Hussein is not trying to get nuclear wepaons to bomb America...can you.

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great another one of these political threads. :rollseyes: Look fastmp3 ur comments are very emotional and dont have a lot of thought or facts behind them.

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anyway my questions are : -why don't he send some mega-marshal-sniper-pyroman from hollywood to get rid of him and install at least some democracy there ? and why instead of t to bomb the whooooooole country

I think u watch too many movies; u would need a large military force of over throw the regime and install a stable government like we're doing in Afghanistan. You act like we only need to knock off 20 ppl and everything would be ok. So I guess ur suggesting we send in small group of Special Forces like in Somalia, and have them ambushed killed and dragged thru the streets of Baghdad, I don�t think so.

I don�t know who told u we're carpet-bombing them, we're not. Now repeat after me strategic bombing yes, carpet-bombing no. The same type of bombing complaints was raised in Afghanistan. The whole world can sit back and pick apart everything we do. We're trying to put Sadam out of business the cleanest way possible but in the real world everything is complicated.

Finally, the main reason we're taking our time is, we're a democracy and bush is carefully gathering a consensus about how we should precede. If we were a dictatorship we would just act without thinking. I hope that not what you�re suggesting we do.

if the US didn't support us the we might be dead by now, since the entire europe hates us or doesn't give a damn about us, other countries across the world are just unpluged, and the arabs are like 100 times bigger than us and probably wouldn't hasitate about attacking...

besides that, if the US didn't take apart of this situation, not that i agree with it's ways, but if it didn't, then nobody would stop iraq back in gulf war to develop mass destruction weapons, and nobody would fund any anti terrorist organizations and so on...

Fuck i hate politics... Its all BS!!!!

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Originally posted by tiesto14 and John Smith calls me dumb...LOL...dude Hussein has MILLIONS upon MILLIONS...he doenst care about his civilians...it is well know he murders his own civilians and in the recent past killed 5000 of them...he could care less about anyone in his country unless they are in the military,,,THATS A FACT..like it or not.

I'd bring up the other fact, that the States is the country that armed this dictator to begin with during the 80's, and that if his people really didn't like him that much they'd go about the business of overthrowing him themselves just like the people in South America are doing to US puppet dictators as I speak.

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it's very very very very simple......do you guys feel that America and most of the free world should just wait on our asses while Hussein gets his hands on nuclear weapons?...just recentley he has been trading with China and Korea in hopes of getting his hands on a nuke....and some analysts predict he should have one within a year.

And how much do you think the US government is paying these "experts"? The Iraqi economy has been crippled by the western economic sanctions...right now Saddam is trying to save face, and keep the country running, not develop weapons of mass destruction. He's been trading with the east to try and help get the economy rolling without the aid of the western governments...is he trying to get nuclear power plants installed? Yes...is that a threat to the United States of all places? No....

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NOW when he gets that nuclear weapon what do you think he wants to do with it?....well he wants to send it on over to America.

Even if he *did* have a nuclear weapon, and *did* want to commit suicide by attacking the United States (which it would be, he isn't *stupid* you know...) he doesn't have a deployment system...and last I knew customs doesn't allow people to just declare plutonium and head on through...

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SOOOOO NOW i ask you...should the U.S. sit by and wait for Hussein to attack on his terms? and with his weapons? which i will add will be nukes...thats what he has been trying to do for years upon years now. I mean you guyys can not be that dumb to beleive that Hussein is not trying to get nuclear wepaons to bomb America...can you.

As I've said, even if Saddam *did* get nuclear weapons he would still be almost zero threat to the States...he doesn't have the technology *or* the money to fund ICBM's, or any means of deployment that would threaten the States...if anything, the US allies in Europe are in the actual direct danger because of their proximity, and with the exception of Israel *they're not concerned*, which to me shows that the threat is almost nill...trust me, if there was a *real* threat I don't think places like Germany would be sitting around not worrying, since they'd be within the actual range of attack.

Saddam isn't a nice guy, don't get me wrong. But the US attacking Iraq would be yet another horrid decision by the Bush administration...they stand to gain nothing other than peace of mind for the paranoid young Bush, and in trade will lower the world-wide opinion of the country even further, and add to the growing ranks of potential terrorist recruits.

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ok thats it....i was going to post some facts from good sources..but after reading that last post by Cortex i see it is pointless...

i will stick with my dumb attitude and blah blah...

not worth it anymore...u guys have your opinions however unbeleiveable they are and your not changing them...

but wait and watch as he gets those nukes...

heres a QUOTE from Tony Blair on Hussein

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"There is a threat from Saddam Hussein and the weapons of mass destruction that he has acquired. It is not in doubt at all."

http://asia.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/euro...1/cheney.blair/


even Tony Blair sees it...why dont you guys...OMG!!!

GEORGE W. BUSH = 1 OF AMERICAS BIGGEST MISTAKE

tiesto14 is making more sense than anyone so far in this thread, besides maybe Az's comment (yes, you are correct). What, do you think Saddam is living in a cardboard box starving? Pleeease...hes sitting on billions. He has scores of palaces with enormous pools, indoor streams, and fountains. Fresh food is flown in for him weekly: shrimp, lobster, lean meat, and dairy products. He likes fine wine with his meals, and spends long hours reading every day in whichever office/palace him and his military leaders select for the day. Saddam lives now only to preserve his wealth and power.
btw, read my post on his arsenal:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...15&pagenumber=9
by the way, saddam isn't just open to the public for a recon marine to come in and snipe him. saddam has excellent intelligence, driven by fear...and the man himself is extremely intelligent. some of you need to wake the fuck up and smell the roses. if the rest of the world wants to sit on their ass, then go ahead and do so, but i know i dont want my country being blown to shit and then in the aftermath "well damn, we shouldve done something, but now we're all glowing green with radioactivity."

p.s. - yes, we've established that bush has the IQ of a fly, but none the less...he isnt the only one running this country, and i have faith in colin powell. there's one damn good secretary of defense.

i think they should drop bomb on irak.
thats all

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Originally posted by BluNine hes sitting on billions. He has scores of palaces with enormous pools, indoor streams, and fountains. Fresh food is flown in for him weekly: shrimp, lobster, lean meat, and dairy products. He likes fine wine with his meals, and spends long hours reading every day in whichever office/palace him and his military leaders select for the day.

hmm.. what is your source for this information?

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Originally posted by JohnSmith hmm.. what is your source for this information?

OMG...now it's DEFINATLEY OFFICIAL...JohnSmith knows nothing...

i bet you think Osama Bin Laden is just a poor peasant who can't afford a plane...LoL

EVERYONE knows that Hussein is beyond wealthy....OMG...ur a joke dude...u bashed my opinions left and right...but now i see why...its because you just dont know.

you are hillarious tiesto. i know nothing eh?

because i asked a guy what his source is? that's called research, you should try some once in a while, instead of just repeating what you hear on TV.

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Originally posted by JohnSmith you are hillarious tiesto. i know nothing eh? because i asked a guy what his source is? that's called research, you should try some once in a while, instead of just repeating what you hear on TV.

no u said it to him as if you where QUESTIONING him on what he said.....and why do you need sources for soemthing that is common knowledge?...

and i dont watch TV...i find it very boring and is usually a brain dead experience....

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