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Projectmix IO - Any users?

I've just noticed these beasties have taken a 60-70% dive in price in the UK (now about �500) and i'm sorely tempted to use one as both a multi input interface and DAW control surface.

I'm sure this means they'll be phased out soon but i'm good with that.

maybe I'm old skool and cbf'd with pages, but I'd prefer to use a control surface with at least twice that many sliders

Don't you have a shiny new Steiny interface? I'd spend the money on an iPad and get some control surface/MIDI controller apps instead for probably less than than the I/O - it's far more flexible, lets you get up and move around, and you can play Angry Birds. There's no way I'd ever trade my V-Control, AC-7, MIDI OSC, etc. apps for one of those beasts. Besides, if they're closing it out, how long are they going to support the drivers?

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Originally posted by cryophonik Don't you have a shiny new Steiny interface? I'd spend the money on an iPad and get some control surface/MIDI controller apps instead for probably less than than the I/O - it's far more flexible, lets you get up and move around, and you can play Angry Birds. There's no way I'd ever trade my V-Control, AC-7, MIDI OSC, etc. apps for one of those beasts. Besides, if they're closing it out, how long are they going to support the drivers?

Yeah... but I really don't like those pad/touch apps for mixing

Tbh i've been after a DAW controller for a long time and was veering towards the Avid/Euphonix ones but this seems to be a bit of a bargain. I like the idea of keeping things neat as well.

As long as the drivers are stable in W7, I don't see any reason why I wouldn't get a good few years service out of it. I'm only surmising that it's coming to the end of it's life, I don't have any evidence to back that up! The drivers are listed up to W7 64 sp1 so it looks like it receives healthy support.

I like the adat/optical connectivity for fancy pre's should I need it too.

you can program say an akai apc40 to act like a daw controller. Way cheaper and technically more control. Does take some brains to program tho. But you get 9 faders , about 50 buttons and 10 or so rotary encoders.

I actually played around with it at my local Guitar Center. Crap. Everything feels very plasticky and cheap, three of the faders were already screwed up, the LCD screen was glitching, and an assload of other problems. From what I saw that day, it's not worth it. I would expect better out of M-Audio.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney you can program say an akai apc40 to act like a daw controller. Way cheaper and technically more control. Does take some brains to program tho. But you get 9 faders , about 50 buttons and 10 or so rotary encoders.

Don't really fancy that, I like the idea of proper flying faders, probably as that's how I learned to mix 20 years ago. The APC40 is too fiddly. I'm probably too stupid to set it up too.

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Originally posted by Anakratis I actually played around with it at my local Guitar Center. Crap. Everything feels very plasticky and cheap, three of the faders were already screwed up, the LCD screen was glitching, and an assload of other problems. From what I saw that day, it's not worth it. I would expect better out of M-Audio.

It's pretty typical of 'prosumer' stuff at this pricerange, but I wouldn't pay too much attention to a badly cared for demo unit. I get a 4 year warranty out of DV247 anyway.

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Originally posted by Anakratis . I would expect better out of M-Audio.

really ?

anyways, if flying faders are your thing, you have to spend the money. There is no cheap solution.

I really don't see how you can work without flying faders if the control surface has 8 channels and the project you're working on has 80.

Plus it makes me look cool and pro.

Well you don't need to see a fader to know where it is in your head so they are not necessary and further more , the more you have , the more distracting it is at least for me and if I am sitting in on a session, I will ask the engineer to bypass them because I literally get sick.

And if seeing them is not a distraction, then hearing them will be and you will hear them on the projectmix device.

I've bought one from the us and had it deliver to the UK- was cheaper getting it from abroad.

It's a nice little device that. Very handy, especially if you're mastering a track or getting the levels on your drum machine or main mixer. Much faster to edit than using mouse or keyboard. Has a great feel to it, the knobs do feel sturdy and solid for its price. the Automated faders are a bounce. Makes you want to spend more hours on production because you get a professional feel when you're producing.

Be careful, this is a control surface with Audio interface and not a mixer, you can use it as a mixer, but only when its attached to your pc/laptop. Installation is a bit tricky as you have to run some discovery enabler off the M-Audio menu before you can use the device on Windows 7.

Lag/Delay is bearable. Sound quality is 8/10 if you compare to high end products, but then again, price is a factor.

It really does it for me. I love being able to control everything there and then rather than having to mock about the mouse and keyboard and get a certain device on the screen before I can change something in it- its just under your hands with the ProjectMix.

It also speed up your productivity as its much faster to work with an actual controller device than a software. You could be doing two or even three things at the same time on multiple devices.

I love my ProjectMix. It feels like a third arm now. I wouldn't even think of producing music on touch devices like ipad- it just won't give you that edge, that accuracy you get from the real thing.

hope this helps?

KV

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Originally posted by djkv I've bought one from the us and had it deliver to the UK- was cheaper getting it from abroad. It's a nice little device that. Very handy, especially if you're mastering a track or getting the levels on your drum machine or main mixer. Much faster to edit than using mouse or keyboard. Has a great feel to it, the knobs do feel sturdy and solid for its price. the Automated faders are a bounce. Makes you want to spend more hours on production because you get a professional feel when you're producing. Be careful, this is a control surface with Audio interface and not a mixer, you can use it as a mixer, but only when its attached to your pc/laptop. Installation is a bit tricky as you have to run some discovery enabler off the M-Audio menu before you can use the device on Windows 7. Lag/Delay is bearable. Sound quality is 8/10 if you compare to high end products, but then again, price is a factor. It really does it for me. I love being able to control everything there and then rather than having to mock about the mouse and keyboard and get a certain device on the screen before I can change something in it- its just under your hands with the ProjectMix. It also speed up your productivity as its much faster to work with an actual controller device than a software. You could be doing two or even three things at the same time on multiple devices. I love my ProjectMix. It feels like a third arm now. I wouldn't even think of producing music on touch devices like ipad- it just won't give you that edge, that accuracy you get from the real thing. hope this helps? KV

Ya I wanted it as a DAW controller rather than a traditional mixer so that's great info.

Thanks

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney Well you don't need to see a fader to know where it is in your head so they are not necessary and further more , the more you have , the more distracting it is at least for me and if I am sitting in on a session, I will ask the engineer to bypass them because I literally get sick. And if seeing them is not a distraction, then hearing them will be and you will hear them on the projectmix device.

You are a little odd though. I've never heard of someone getting sick because of faders. You must have intense ADD - all those moving things make you want to concentrate on all of them at once.

You don't need to "see" them as such, but I absolutely love having the tactile relationship with your levels rather than having to look at meters and move a mouse.

ADD is a myth.

We used to call it 'special'

I suppose it is ADD but imagine your concentration and then the ability to apply that to 8 elements at the same time without any degradation. ADD I suppose but in my most distracted state, still better than you. ANd yes, very special indeed.

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