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Ok I did post about this some time ago, but i am actually wanting to do it, as I have found a fella here in my home town thats pulling down his professional studio and selling all his lovely foam w bass traps etc.

At the moment I have Rokik krk 6's on my desk but, i have been told i need to move them off, as the sound may bounce of my desk. So i am in the process I finding some stands.

my room dimension are:

L: 3.69m
W: approx the same as L
H: 3.05m



As you can see from my wonderful drawing careof, Microsoft paint, i hav a feature wall and blue carpet which i dont at all

I am really wanting to sort this out as to whether I need it or not, i figure you chaps kno enough for me to avoid going to the shop where there ever so helpful not!

I can get auralex 4" foam wedge sheets in fact 48sq ft for $150 and this person has bass traps for corners also. What I want to know is how many sections of foam would i need on back and front walls and sides if required given i hav a window and door as seen in pic? also bass traps for corners do i need to run the whole top to bottom or just segments in each corner? im thinking those facing my monitors etc. oh and ceilings too!

any info really appreciated as always...!

bajesus i may need to go seek advice from my local store

I have done a bit of reading and there is mixed opinions

Dont waste your money on those auralex bass traps they dont cover enough of the low end frequencies

sende these guys an email wirth above details
and they'll make u quote

http://gikacoustics.com/products.html

There seems to be no specific answers on the web, other then something that just feels right has a sense of calm or peace about it.

I did read the pinned posts in TA as well.

seriously ?!?

www.gearslutz.com full akoustics forum
www.hometheatreshack.com full akoustics forum

Google on Room EQ Wizard

There are many things to learn if you want.
If you want to stay away from measuring and maths, really mail the GIK guys. Just provide your room dimensions and budget and they'll make you a quote.

your main problem will be around standing waves and mid frequencies, these need mass and diffusion to be attacked and scattered.
An Auralex 2" foam pads will not bring that

Looking at proper bass trapping based on rockwool or fiberglas will eat into your budget as much as ordering from them.

I sent a thing though to GIK so see what they suggest! Iv just found a tonn of mixed opinions and I dnt want to go through with it really unless its done properly otherwise if its not then I may as well use and untreated room correct? But, in reality if i can imporve my room perhaps not to perfection than that would be great also, as at present it has an echo when i speak

I appreciate the help, shall check out those other two links as well, thanks

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Originally posted by Energy_3 I sent a thing though to GIK so see what they suggest! Iv just found a tonn of mixed opinions and I dnt want to go through with it really unless its done properly otherwise if its not then I may as well use and untreated room correct? But, in reality if i can imporve my room perhaps not to perfection than that would be great also, as at present it has an echo when i speak I appreciate the help, shall check out those other two links as well, thanks

You will never have a perfect room but you can certainly improve it - up to you how much money you want to spend

Judging from your room dimensions you are probably having some problems sub 200hz - you can try taking a frequency plot of your room and see what the damage is. Some good gains can also be made by moving your speakers around

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Originally posted by evo8 You will never have a perfect room but you can certainly improve it - up to you how much money you want to spend Judging from your room dimensions you are probably having some problems sub 200hz - you can try taking a frequency plot of your room and see what the damage is. Some good gains can also be made by moving your speakers around

I spoke with a guy yesterday and he mentioned that it may be worth my while moving my desk so the monitors face my big ass window as the window wil basically act as a bass trap and help. As at the moment the window is to one side with a wall on the other so reflection is shit. Im thinking i will make a few bass traps from wood and insulation etc.

when u say sub200hz your suggesting im losing sound around there or hearing to much?

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Originally posted by Energy_3 I spoke with a guy yesterday and he mentioned that it may be worth my while moving my desk so the monitors face my big ass window as the window wil basically act as a bass trap and help. As at the moment the window is to one side with a wall on the other so reflection is shit. Im thinking i will make a few bass traps from wood and insulation etc. when u say sub200hz your suggesting im losing sound around there or hearing to much?

you probably have either peaks or nulls in the low end - when your 3 room dimensions are close together you get more nodes interacting at the same time...
easy check is to play some bassy tracks and then walk around your room - my guess is youll be hearing be quite a lot of bass in the corners and in other parts of the room you might find the bass is light or really boomy

if you make your own traps be sure to use the proper spec of fibreglass - it has to be a certain density to be effective

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Originally posted by evo8 you probably have either peaks or nulls in the low end - when your 3 room dimensions are close together you get more nodes interacting at the same time... easy check is to play some bassy tracks and then walk around your room - my guess is youll be hearing be quite a lot of bass in the corners and in other parts of the room you might find the bass is light or really boomy if you make your own traps be sure to use the proper spec of fibreglass - it has to be a certain density to be effective

Yeah i heard that if i make em i need to have the correct density. So i may opt for buying them. I hav moved my room around again now w my studio backing up against the window I have instead of it being to one side the window heaps better already. Soon i will bass trap behind my monitors in the corner and cover the window in bass trap panels too

Maybe I'm sounding too ignorant, but have you considered a pair of these?

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Originally posted by pointPi Maybe I'm sounding too ignorant, but have you considered a pair of these?

Are you being serious?

headphones are a perhaps cheaper alternative, but in saying that nothings beats the open space and having a room w sound. Iv decided to look into traps for behind my monitors as mentioned previously and then bass panel traps for my window. Then i shall proceed from there...

I use my headphones for referencing and I listen to my masters on as many pieces of equipment as possible, so I'm not against headphones at all.

But those headphones........

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Originally posted by Energy_3 headphones are a perhaps cheaper alternative, but in saying that nothings beats the open space and having a room w sound. Iv decided to look into traps for behind my monitors as mentioned previously and then bass panel traps for my window. Then i shall proceed from there...

worth sending a mail off to GIK as well - extremely knowledgeable in this area and also very helpful guys, they will help you even if you dont end up buying anything from them

you should look into measuring your room response as well - that will tell you if you are making improvements when you add your treatment.

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Originally posted by evo8 worth sending a mail off to GIK as well - extremely knowledgeable in this area and also very helpful guys, they will help you even if you dont end up buying anything from them you should look into measuring your room response as well - that will tell you if you are making improvements when you add your treatment.

GIK did get back to me wanting some more information which i will send to them soon, the other question I have is how do i test for room response (google it) ?

Thanks chaps

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Originally posted by Acton I use my headphones for referencing and I listen to my masters on as many pieces of equipment as possible, so I'm not against headphones at all. But those headphones........

What he's saying is...

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Originally posted by CalvP Room EQ Wizard I use this cheap mic for the job: Behringer ECM8000 This guy has to be mentioned too as he offers some fantastic advice: Ethan Winer-Acoustic Treatment and Design for Recording Studios and Listening Rooms

Thanks Calv shall look into it. I will post a pic up of my studio soon too, revive the studio thread

just installed the room treatments from gik acoustics few days ago.

definitely money well spent, ended up getting 2 sets of tritraps for the front corners of my room and 2 monster bass traps for the back, makes a huuuuge difference in what i hear. guessing games are over.

i suggest every bedroom producer reading this, before putting money down on a nice analog synth, or any new toy, get your room treated first. trust me, what you hear is a vital part on getting your tracks sounding pro.

Looks like you're room is square which is an issue. My new room is about 3.4m x 3.6m which according to the guys at advancedacoustics-uk.com, I'd have a high risk of low end build up. They've recommended to put bass traps in all corners including horizontal traps between the walls and ceilings. Well that's all good but I'm renting the place where I live so I don't want to stick all that black stuff everywhere.

But at the moment, I'm in the proess of making my own bass traps and acoustic traps because it's a cheap option and a start. I'm plaining on hanging them on the wall like pictures so it shouldn't mess the landlords walls around too much. Gearslutz has a really good acoustics section.

Like others say, you'll never get a perfect room but if you can get 70% or more treated, then it should really help.

RealTraps has some useful info on positioning yourself and monitors and on acoustic panels etc http://realtraps.com/info.htm

the goal isn't to cover every friggin surface. 70% treatment ? What does that even mean. You need to understand what is happening in your room before you can fix the issues. Some things are pretty standard like the obvious first order reflections but just randomly putting cheap foam everywhere is not a great idea. You will just deaden the highs making everything sound flat while loads of low and mids are bouncing around. Foam is not broadband. So getting 1 inch foam and putting that everywhere is pointless.

get a mic and acoustic software and make a map of your room and the anaylsis for each section. Then you will have a very good idea of what is going on.

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Originally posted by sot just installed the room treatments from gik acoustics few days ago. definitely money well spent, ended up getting 2 sets of tritraps for the front corners of my room and 2 monster bass traps for the back, makes a huuuuge difference in what i hear. guessing games are over. i suggest every bedroom producer reading this, before putting money down on a nice analog synth, or any new toy, get your room treated first. trust me, what you hear is a vital part on getting your tracks sounding pro.

Sounds good! Simon I thought about making some up as well, as there is loads of info about on how to do etc, but you need to get it right the density otherwise its a big waste of time and money!

Im in a simular situation with renting, cant go sticking shit all over the place, well making any mods to the room. Sot, what thickness did you get for your traps etc from GIK?

Ok maybe not 70% but i didn't refer to sticking it up randomly or just sticking 1inch foam everywhere. Yeah you could go the mic analysis route, up to you if you want.

Apparently, Rockwool RW3 in the UK is good stuff or that 703 stuff - Bass traps in the corners should be between 100/200mms thick and the acoustic (or reflective panels) should be 100m thick to get any decent results.

But i'm no expert, if it helps and sounds better then great - bonus. I'd rather spend �50 making it myself and testing it out in different spots in the room then spending fortunes of cash to find if it's a waste of time/effort.

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Originally posted by Acton I use my headphones for referencing and I listen to my masters on as many pieces of equipment as possible, so I'm not against headphones at all. But those headphones........

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